England v Republic of Ireland - Sunday, 17th November 2024 - UEFA Nations League

[liamoo11]

Kyle Walker one wasn’t a penalty. He got his head to it

Yeah but then he landed on the back of SS calves that's where the peno is, getting his head to it is of no relevance

[Jd2793]

Very happy . A plan and some heart compared to what we saw last time on Wembley under kenny

and what about what the players served up in the aviva a few months ago against a better england 11? people are deluding themselves with that first half. it was englands 2nd team and our only real chance of note in the whole game was a contentious pen shout for ferguson. we are minnows and we wont be getting near any ko tournament as long as we've a crop of players this poor. losing a game when you go down to 10 is nearly a given, losing 5-0 is a joke.

[Razors left peg]

Happy is far too far

[pineapple stu]

Yeah but then he landed on the back of SS calves that's where the peno is, getting his head to it is of no relevance

That's not a penalty though. He won the header, only had eyes for the header, and I think any touch afterwards is incidental and you'll never get a penalty for it. We'd have been livid if it was given against us

The first one is different though. Would be interesting to hear why that wasn't reviewed.

Wouldn't say I was "happy" with the performance, but there were definitely positives in a tight and organised first half. Finland created more openings in the first 50 minutes on Thursday than England did tonight. We mixed it up between some success at forward passing moves, a couple of good old-fashioned punts down the line (leading to both penalty calls) and even Festy running at people.

We were second best in the first half for sure, but there was organisation and bite there we've been lacking previously. I'm fairly sure England would have won even without the red and the penalty - look at their sub options compared to ours; that would surely have told in the last half hour. But we can take some satisfaction from the first half, and we can almost dismiss the second because it was against ten men.

Not sure how much progress there is under HH yet - we kept it tight under France/Holland under Kenny too. Next year will tell more I guess

[mark12345]

and what about what the players served up in the aviva a few months ago against a better england 11? people are deluding themselves with that first half. it was englands 2nd team and our only real chance of note in the whole game was a contentious pen shout for ferguson. we are minnows and we wont be getting near any ko tournament as long as we've a crop of players this poor. losing a game when you go down to 10 is nearly a given, losing 5-0 is a joke.

All fair points you make. And I supposed the larger question at this point is, would the average Irish supporter even want this team going to the finals of a major competition? I mean if that is the best we can do against a team which is probably sixth or seventh best in the world, well we know our limits then, don't we? I watched the U-21's play Sweden this morning. Sorry to say there is very little on the horizon which will change our style of play in the international arena.

[seanfhear]

On rewatching ~ I see that Ferguson gave the ball away very cheaply in the lead up to Scales giving away the penalty ~ Very poor really.

[Eminence Grise]

I’ve been saying it for years: the senior squad needs a sports psychologist. The first half tonight was encouraging (because of the discipline, definitely not because of the football) but you have to wonder about the brittleness in the team – one piece of bad luck and they dissolved like wet tissue. It happens game in, game out, against better teams and worse. It feels like an inferiority complex and we’re a goal down before every game begins.

[third policeman]

I’ve been saying it for years: the senior squad needs a sports psychologist. The first half tonight was encouraging (because of the discipline, definitely not because of the football) but you have to wonder about the brittleness in the team – one piece of bad luck and they dissolved like wet tissue. It happens game in, game out, against better teams and worse. It feels like an inferiority complex and we’re a goal down before every game begins.

Confidence is paper thin. It’s as if the Kenny experience has brought on collective PTSD. I’m not a fan of Mick necessarily, but would we have lost by 5 if he had been managing us?

[Jd2793]

fellas pining for mick mccarthy .... time for bed!

[texidub]

I’ve been saying it for years: the senior squad needs a sports psychologist.

Surprised they don't have one already, tbh. I'd have imagined that was standard these days. Or is that mostly just at clubs?

[third policeman]

I’ve been saying it for years: the senior squad needs a sports psychologist. The first half tonight was encouraging (because of the discipline, definitely not because of the football) but you have to wonder about the brittleness in the team – one piece of bad luck and they dissolved like wet tissue. It happens game in, game out, against better teams and worse. It feels like an inferiority complex and we’re a goal down before every game begins.

fellas pining for mick mccarthy .... time for bed!

Yep, it’s that bad

[Razors left peg]

The ones who need a phycologist are the ones still wishing for Mick ffs

[liamoo11]

and what about what the players served up in the aviva a few months ago against a better england 11? people are deluding themselves with that first half. it was englands 2nd team and our only real chance of note in the whole game was a contentious pen shout for ferguson. we are minnows and we wont be getting near any ko tournament as long as we've a crop of players this poor. losing a game when you go down to 10 is nearly a given, losing 5-0 is a joke.

That was John o shea s team and it was hapless. Totally different shape tonight, closed central channels narrowed pitch and gave up the wide areas exactly the opposite of o shea s team in September. I said nothing about getting to a tournament I said it was vastly improved from the Kenny years which have set us back so far

[liamoo11]

All fair points you make. And I supposed the larger question at this point is, would the average Irish supporter even want this team going to the finals of a major competition? I mean if that is the best we can do against a team which is probably sixth or seventh best in the world, well we know our limits then, don't we? I watched the U-21's play Sweden this morning. Sorry to say there is very little on the horizon which will change our style of play in the international arena.

The swedes are really in trouble so

[liamoo11]

That's not a penalty though. He won the header, only had eyes for the header, and I think any touch afterwards is incidental and you'll never get a penalty for it. We'd have been livid if it was given against us

The first one is different though. Would be interesting to hear why that wasn't reviewed.

Wouldn't say I was "happy" with the performance, but there were definitely positives in a tight and organised first half. Finland created more openings in the first 50 minutes on Thursday than England did tonight. We mixed it up between some success at forward passing moves, a couple of good old-fashioned punts down the line (leading to both penalty calls) and even Festy running at people.

We were second best in the first half for sure, but there was organisation and bite there we've been lacking previously. I'm fairly sure England would have won even without the red and the penalty - look at their sub options compared to ours; that would surely have told in the last half hour. But we can take some satisfaction from the first half, and we can almost dismiss the second because it was against ten men.

Not sure how much progress there is under HH yet - we kept it tight under France/Holland under Kenny too. Next year will tell more I guess

Only thing I'd say on the pens is if you swing your leg to clear a ball in the box and you catch the opposition player who is behind you who you can't see that gets given as a penalty regardless of it been accidental.

[Snapshot]

The ones who need a phycologist are the ones still wishing for Mick ffs

The first half was very Mick. No one is calling for him back. You should still be serving time for being foot.ie’s Kennyite in Chief.

[pineapple stu]

Only thing I'd say on the pens is if you swing your leg to clear a ball in the box and you catch the opposition player who is behind you who you can't see that gets given as a penalty regardless of it been accidental.

If you slide in to steer the ball back to the keeper and if an attacker then goes over your leg, that's not a penalty. We've no gripe on that one

Gallagher, Kane, Rice and Grealish scored against us

Think this is God punishing us for the Charlton years

One other goalscoring connection - Harwood-Bellis, who scored the fifth, is engaged to Roy Keane's daughter

[seanfhear]

If you slide in to steer the ball back to the keeper and if an attacker then goes over your leg, that's not a penalty. We've no gripe on that one


One other goalscoring connection - Harwood-Bellis, who scored the fifth, is engaged to Roy Keane's daughter

Roy's daughter ~ ~ Was there a film about that one upon time ? !

[ifk101]

There’s no triumph in keeping it scoreless until half-time as we didn’t have an attempt on goals. We simply parked the bus. There’s nothing creative or innovative in that. It’s not getting the tactics right. It’s not showing heart. It’s parking the bus. It’s defeatist in its very nature, and demoralising for players. It’s the clearest communication you can give that you think they are not good enough to win the game. No wonder they “gave up” – you told them they are no good!

The result was a hammering and the collapse alarming. The positive taken from the Finland game was the confidence of getting a win. That’s gone now, and then some.

This has been a really poor international window for us. We were lucky to win at home against a team on their worst run of results (ever) and we get embarrassed against an experimental England team. Progress? Improvement? Its the manager himself that is saying Finland was lucky and England embarrassing. Players losing their heads and giving up is actually not good.

HH is likeable, talks a lot sense, is somebody all can get behind and want to succeed. But HH was sold as a manager that can beat England. That’s his CV. And after six games with HH, we do not know our strongest line-up, we do not know our best shape, we haven’t solved the midfield, we have not fixed the gaping hole on our left side, and England beat us 5-0.

I’m not happy. How could I be?

[third policeman]

Excellent post IFK. Just about nailed it there.