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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuttgart88 View Post
    Well we got there in the end I suppose.
    It does feel like we've strengthened the squad through injuries, strangely.

    Robinson can maybe be a bit put out that he's not been brought in to replace Idah, but to be honest, much and all as he's on a purple patch right now, he's never really delivered much bar those six goals in four games three years ago. Agree we're ok with Ferguson, Cannon and Parrott there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    It does feel like we've strengthened the squad through injuries, strangely.

    Robinson can maybe be a bit put out that he's not been brought in to replace Idah, but to be honest, much and all as he's on a purple patch right now, he's never really delivered much bar those six goals in four games three years ago. Agree we're ok with Ferguson, Cannon and Parrott there.
    Robinson predicted at the beginning of the season that he would do well, because he was injury free and felt particularly fit after a good pre-season preparation. Ironically, he is now carrying an Achilles injury and was not in Cardiff's squad on Saturday.

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    One thing I notice is that we're teetering on the brink of having a squad with no 30-something players in it. Brady is injured this time, Coleman and Duffy have dropped out but Doherty has snuck in late to keep a 30+ player in the squad.

    It is however now a squad that has zero players that have played at major tournament finals, or even been in a finals squad. I'm not sure if we have had a squad before now where that has been the case (other than before Euro 88 obviously). Possibly we did at some point under Kenny, someone might know. There also isn't a single player with over 50 caps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eirambler View Post
    One thing I notice is that we're teetering on the brink of having a squad with no 30-something players in it. Brady is injured this time, Coleman and Duffy have dropped out but Doherty has snuck in late to keep a 30+ player in the squad.

    It is however now a squad that has zero players that have played at major tournament finals, or even been in a finals squad. I'm not sure if we have had a squad before now where that has been the case (other than before Euro 88 obviously). Possibly we did at some point under Kenny, someone might know. There also isn't a single player with over 50 caps.
    The average number of caps in the squad is 15!

    There's been a few games recently where the starting XI had no tournament experience, the last time was the Dutch game a year ago - Bazunu, Doherty, Manning, O'Shea, Scales, Collins, Browne, Cullen, Knight, Robinson, Ferguson
    Duffy was an unused sub, the only player in the team who has appeared in a tournament

    I'm pretty sure the last time there was zero tournament appearances across the starters and subs is the last game before Euro 88, against Poland in May 1998
    Starting XI: Peyton, Morris, Hughton, McGrath, Moran, Galvin, Whelan, Sheridan, Sheedy, Cascarino, Aldridge
    Subs: Quinn, Byrne, Kelly, O'Brien
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    England have lost eight players from their squad - Alexander-Arnold, Rice, Saka, Palmer, Colwill, Foden, Grealish and Ramsdale - and have called up Branthwaite, Bowen, Trafford and Livramento. Still can't see us getting a result out there, mind. But nice to see Grealish and Rice won't be scoring against us again anyway.

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    Surprised they haven't called up Delap. He's in form and they can completely tie him with a cap in a NL game of minimal importance to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuttgart88 View Post
    I think he looks a bit clumsy at left back. I think he's better facing play from a central position than he is from the touchline.
    I guess now that he had issues returning to the Celtic first team after Aberdeen which affected his performances in August '23, issues which were quickly dealt with by Rodgers.
    Aberdeen had wanted a buy-in clause in that loan deal but Ange point blank refused, obviously saw something of note in Scales.

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    I didn't know that. I always assumed it was the opposite, Ange didn't rate him.

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    HH said in his press conference basically that he only called Andy Moran up because the 21s didn't have a game and wanted to see him in that environment but didn't really see him playing and saw him as more one for the future. also he has a calf knock.

    the squad continues to decrease in viable options with O'Shea and Ebosele still doubts, they hadn't trained yet but were going to try today and assess if they got through training ok

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    Quote Originally Posted by elatedscum View Post
    HH said in his press conference basically that he only called Andy Moran up because the 21s didn't have a game and wanted to see him in that environment but didn't really see him playing and saw him as more one for the future. also he has a calf knock.
    Anyone going to tell him that firstly the 21s do have games and secondly Moran is now too old to play competitive games for the 21s
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2 Year Contract View Post
    Anyone going to tell him that firstly the 21s do have games and secondly Moran is now too old to play competitive games for the 21s
    sorry his exact quote was "the 21s don't have a competitive game" - i was filling in the blanks "Andy Moran's 21s group don't have a game". so he might know that the 21s have a game but might not know that Moran is no longer eligible

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    Or English isn't his first language and he does know but words it awkwardly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~YTM~ View Post
    Or English isn't his first language and he does know but words it awkwardly.
    A bit like Stephen Kenny then.

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    He didn’t sound enthusiastic about Moran. Seems his selection was swayed by others talking up Moran as a future senior international. Mentioned Moran isn’t the most physical in the squad, which is obvious to all that have seen him play.

    Overall, HH talks a lot of sense and is likeable – but certainly is getting in the excuses. Spoke about not having time to train so doubtful we’ll see anything new this evening. Feels like a really low key build up for this game, a game we are expecting “not to lose”. What could go wrong … ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ifk101 View Post
    He didn’t sound enthusiastic about Moran. Seems his selection was swayed by others talking up Moran as a future senior international. Mentioned Moran isn’t the most physical in the squad, which is obvious to all that have seen him play.

    Overall, HH talks a lot of sense and is likeable – but certainly is getting in the excuses. Spoke about not having time to train so doubtful we’ll see anything new this evening. Feels like a really low key build up for this game, a game we are expecting “not to lose”. What could go wrong … ?
    Sounds a bit like a man making a plan to escape from a high security jail !

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    I like HH too, but he also talked about these games being an opportunity to test players before we get into WCQ action, so there's a bit of a contradiction going on - maybe it's a language thing.

    Where we are at the moment, we need to treat every game like an existential threat to civilisation/cup final. I'll be disappointed if we don't win tonight but under no illusions that we'll have to earn it. Then off to Wembley to batter England

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    FWIW he's right about Moran. He still looks like a strong gust of wind would blow him over. It's great to see a technical player like him coming through, but it's hard to see what practical role he could play just yet. Azaz gives you more than Moran does going forward and has more presence to him as well. Maybe he could be used as a late throw of the dice off the bench if we're chasing a goal or something, but I'd say we'd be more likely to go for someone like McAteer or Johnston out wide in that situation.

    I have a feeling Moran will be the golden boy for a section of the support for the next while, but that doesn't necessarily mean he should be playing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eirambler View Post
    FWIW he's right about Moran. He still looks like a strong gust of wind would blow him over. It's great to see a technical player like him coming through, but it's hard to see what practical role he could play just yet. Azaz gives you more than Moran does going forward and has more presence to him as well. Maybe he could be used as a late throw of the dice off the bench if we're chasing a goal or something, but I'd say we'd be more likely to go for someone like McAteer or Johnston out wide in that situation.

    I have a feeling Moran will be the golden boy for a section of the support for the next while, but that doesn't necessarily mean he should be playing.
    Interesting to read the doubts being expressed about Moran and earlier Connell. Pretty much the reasons why Wes never got picked until we ran out of alternatives. What exactly do we have to lose giving him a chance against England? The Championship is a very physical league and thus far he’s managing pretty well.

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    Depends where you play him. If you play him in centre mid you risk getting walked through again like the home game where we only put two in there. You could play him wide/behind the striker instead of Szmodics. But then you wouldn't have Szmodics.

    Basically you reduce the standard of the team as there's no position where he's better than the current starting player at this point in time. He's just about holding his own in a mid table Championship team. Other than at left back, that's not going to get you a start for Ireland.

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