QuoteWhat a remarkably stupid post!Originally Posted by RedX
This has been dismissed so many times before, however - primarily on the grounds that no-one wants to come into the league - that I'm not going to waste my time dismissing it again.
They only do it in the US cos the country's so ****ing big!!
I don't see any value in this.
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What a remarkably stupid post!
This has been dismissed so many times before, however - primarily on the grounds that no-one wants to come into the league - that I'm not going to waste my time dismissing it again.
Eh, isn't that what you are doing?
Dont make me laugh Pineapple man...UCD and Dublin City should be in the Leinster Senior League and no better..hardly 1,000 fans between them and as far as i can see there should be a way of getting them out of the league completely..i am sure there are clubs that could generate more interest in our league around the country than the likes of your club and CHFEFC...the league would be a lot better with a Kerry or Tipp team to replace you..UCD played at HOME lastnight in a Cup final and were outnumbered by opposition support from the other end of the country...and how many does your ground hold?..FFS man face up to reality and understand that UCD and Dublin City are two teams in our league that turn people off supporting our league in the 1st place..i think it was your reply that was the STUPID post college boy..
There's nothing stopping a Kerry or Tipp team from applying to join the league. There's no rule that says the league must have only 22 teams. I'm sure the first division could cope with 12 teams rather than 10 (as it did up to last year). Both teams (and UCD especially) are there on merrit, so you can't just expell them on a whim that you don't like them.
On my first point about changing to 22+10, rather than 33 games, I think that 33 games is a daft number. There was lots of controversy when the fixtures came out and Cork were drawn to play their main rivals away twice (though at this point no one thought Derry would be their main challenger). The advantage of the extra home game against your nearest rival is fundamentally unfair (and could yet be the difference between Derry and Cork).
A 22+10 system would parity between the main rivals in the Premier (though not necessarily in the First). It would mean there would be no controversy (on a fixtures basis) over who would be the eircom League Champions. It may still have an impact on the First Division title race (who would play 27+12) but since the main objective in the First Division is promotion, if there were two automatic places this wouldn't matter too much.
What are you basing this latest piece of complete nonsense on? The crowd was 2174 (most official figure I heard). Derry brought 600. There were maybe 100-200 or so neutrals. The balance were UCD fans. This also puts the lie to your idea about us and DC combined having less than 1000 fans.
The league would be better off with a Tipp team? Like Thurles Town? Great crowds they got, in a great stadium.
UCD and DC turn Joe Barstool off the eL? What about the likes of Rovers, Ollie Byrne, clashes at Bohs-Rovers and other Dublin derby games?
Fool.
I am not trying to sound smart here but i am not silly enough to think we can just get rid of teams because i dont like them..UCD/Home Farm are two teams in this league that make our league so amateur looking..people can say that they have as much about them as lesser 1st division sides but i would not agree..they have no potential fan wise and for some reason in Home Farms case someone seems to be wasting money on them with no return..most 1st division clubs if run properly have potential with fairly big fan bases but these two clubs are just sickening..i men a college in a top league..what a joke..
100/200 neutrals...now how did you come to that number then?..did you actually count the UCD fans yourself??..and you are saying now that UCD had 1300 fans at the game??.did you ever have that amount for a game?..
This is what i would reckon in my non-college degree estimation..
Atten :2174
Derry :600
Neutral Support :800 approx..
UCD :774..
In order...
1) It's a guesstimate. I saw no other eL jerseys. There were a couple of Longford fans, but I didn't recognise anyone else.
2) I didn't have to once I knew how many Derry and neutral fans there were.
3) Yes
4) Yes. There are a lot of people who'll come out to support UCD for the big games. They generally need a letter in the post to tell them about it and other kicks in the arse before they come, but it's been done before.
Thank God I went to college...then I'd be able to see the idiocy of saying we were outnumbered by Derry and then saying we had nearly 200 more fans than them!This is what i would reckon in my non-college degree estimation..
Atten :2174
Derry :600
Neutral Support :800 approx..
UCD :774..
800 is nonsense. The cheer when UCD scored was a good bit louder - and was spread further around the ground - than when Derry scored.
I see you had your sound measuring equipment at Belfield with you then?..
UCD have almost the whole of south-east Dublin to themselves. That's huge potential.Its not a joke. You might not find any University teams in the Premiersh*t or Serie A, but it happens all over latin America, and I'm guessing that Sportul Studentesc in Romania is a college team too. College teams in the US get enormous support from their alumni, even crap ones. There's huge potential for UCD to tap into this (more than they currently do).i men a college in a top league..what a joke..
I would actually go back to a sixteen team premier division. I think we need to be trying to increase the appeal of the league, not narrowing it. Sixteen teams would allow the likes of Sligo, Dundalk, Galway Athlone etc, who have been succesful in the past and have the potential for good crowds, the chance to return to the premier league. You could always allow 2 extra teams into the 1st division to keep it at 12 (e.g Tralee, Mullingar). People go to games when they matter, and that's a proven fact.
Current Premier = 12
Add 4 from 1st Div = 16 (so far, so good)
Current 1st Div = 10
Take 4 for Prem = 6
Add 2 new teams = 8 (looks like Toy D didn't take honours maths!)
I'd be in favour of a 16 team division, but there is a danger that more games would become meaningless than they currently are. The 22+10 proposal would keep the divisions at relatively small sizes, but allow Sligo, Dundalk, Galway, Athlone and everyone else to play in big games even without being in the Premier.
Stu stu stu .... what can i say !?!?!
Just because you are in a crowd beside some fans when they cheer, doesn't make them louder .... i know the Derry fans were further away but from where they were standing, it could have been equally as loud, if not even louder. Its the whole 'near' and 'far' thing.
The SFAI are the governing body for grassroots football in Ireland, not the FAI. Its success or the lack of is all down to them.
Very good Aface....
Bloody hell, cop on will you? 3 seperate players called into the U-21s in the last month make the rest of you look amateur? You have a plethora of internationals yourself then? Since when in the name of God is fanbase a quantifiable criteria for any bloody league?! The regularity with which this same hackneyed agrument is pulled out with its same lump of uninformed facts and garbage is nothing should of ridiculous.I am not trying to sound smart here but i am not silly enough to think we can just get rid of teams because i dont like them..UCD/Home Farm are two teams in this league that make our league so amateur looking..people can say that they have as much about them as lesser 1st division sides but i would not agree..they have no potential fan wise and for some reason in Home Farms case someone seems to be wasting money on them with no return..most 1st division clubs if run properly have potential with fairly big fan bases but these two clubs are just sickening..i men a college in a top league..what a joke..
Did he hit a nerve ??
The SFAI are the governing body for grassroots football in Ireland, not the FAI. Its success or the lack of is all down to them.
He did actually and I'm not in a particularly good mood after last night. A lot of hard work goes into our club, from the staff to the fans. We won our place in the Premier Division by merit and we're looking like staying there on merit. Just as we've fought our way to the latter stages of both cups. We've even achieved European qualification still within recent enough history. Fanbase size is not a quantifiable criteria. What is he on about?Did he hit a nerve ??
plethora...hackneyed...quantifiable criteria....christ almighty i cant beat that..
But i stand by what i said...UCD should be sent to the chopping block...no fans/poor ground/no appeal/no ambition/will never make any strides in Europe/no hope/...
Ok, apart from poor ground which is to be addressed none of those are quantifiable criteria. If you're not joking, in other words that means critera which cannot be measured. You cannot measure a fanbase, you cannot measure ambition, you cannot measure appeal, you cannot measure chances of making strides in Europe. Anyway insisting that all clubs could make strides in Europe is an awfully odd criteria for staying within league football.plethora...hackneyed...quantifiable criteria....christ almighty i cant beat that..
But i stand by what i said...UCD should be sent to the chopping block...no fans/poor ground/no appeal/no ambition/will never make any strides in Europe/no hope/...
The league table says there are only 6 clubs in this country better than us on the park and you want shot of us? As I repeat, we've produced 3 players worthy of U-21 call ups in the one month. Any other clubs doing better than that? What kind or LOI and football fan in general are you to want to remove such a club from your league?
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