Yeah, you'd have to assume derry will win the league now,but in fairness they haven't exactly shown league winning form in recent weeks - that being said they brushed aside a weak boez side on Friday so confidence should be high.
Rovers played well within themselves but had the measure of shels all night.
As for duffer, get back in your box little man.
Massive weekend for Derry coming up two wins and they are title favourites by miles but Bohs need points to avoid a relegation playoff so its not a shoe in and Sligo have a decent record against Derry.
No combination of points from those games would surprise me from 0 to 6..
There is a genuine chance Shels miss out which would be very harsh considering how long they are at the top.Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Felt a bit sorry for Duffer tonight he wass getting loads from Rovers fans and hes never really bothered me, came home to play for us and managed one of our underage teams.
On balance he has been good for the league i think, certainly helps with the clicks
I thought Shels were pretty good, and Rovers were just much better, as they should be. Was interesting to watch the two games back to back, a pretty stark gulf in technical ability between the two as entertaining as the cup 2nd half was.
Shamrock Rovers will probably get to 61 points from here. Derry's final two games are against Pat's and Shels. If Shels can dust themselves down and get back to winning ways, they might need a favour from Pat's in the penultimate round.
so O’Donnell relegated Dundalk this season and could do same to Bohs next season? Can only dream……
In two weeks time Higgins will either be celebrating a double or possibly sacked.
Rovers have a poor record in Louth the last few yrs. 61 pts far from guaranteed. Derry have to be favs after Shels likely having the biggest bottler job in how many yrs?
He could join a prestigious group of managers to have successive relegations that includes *checks notes* Shane Keegan.
What makes you think he is waiting for next season ? A couple more wins for Drogs and he could bring both Dundalk and bohs down this season. That would be some Double.
United Park was absolutely jammed. Biggest crowd I've seen in years. And yet the atmosphere for large parts was poor. There was a nervous air about the place. It was obvious we weren't used to being heavy favourites in a big game. Either the nervous atmosphere seeped into the players or vise versa I'm not sure. But we were very poor and robbed Wexford who deserved extra time at the very least. I felt bad for them.
But we're in the final and that's an amazing feat. We will never get a run to the final like that again. The highest ranked team Drogheda have beaten is Dundalk.
You've got no fans.
Shamrock Rovers surely? If they win their last three games, which is probably likely, they'll finish on 61 points.
Are we getting 11 points from 15? Fairly unlikely.
Either way, we've finished on 66 points in 2022, 65 in 2023, and maybe 60 this year. We're going backwards.
I do console myself with the knowledge that winning the cup is better than finishing second in league at least.
And I know this is might not count for much in the real world and it verges on superstition, but you would surely back them to know how to do this. I'm reminded of an Arsene Wenger line about Ferguson's United: "It is hard to keep the horse from the stable once he has smelled his bed." I've probably misremembered that and butchered it, but the point stands.
I'd imagine the best case scenario for Rovers to regain the title would be Shels and Derry on the same points and 1 point ahead of Rovers on the last day,and Rovers winning at home while there's a draw in the brandywell, handing the title to Rovers
Derry have +5 goal difference on Rovers so if they're ahead of Rovers by 2 points they should be able to win the title ( assuming shels are not ahead of them in the table).
2 massive games for derry over the weekend,win both and they should have it sewn up.
Dont disagre with PC if Derry win both matches this weekend the titel is theres in all likelyhood.
In the year that is in it the title favs winning two matches in a row at home looks like a long shot though
Feels like there hasnt been 'league winning form' for a bunch of years, champions falling over the line and others (Derry) refusing to take chance after chance! Not that Rovers fans will care and I think they will do 5 in a row based on them almost being able to zombie it over the line again as others bottle it, Derry should be favourites but ye cant trust them - if they do win the league and with a cup final also Higgins will say that they peaked to perfection but even a double wont settle all doubts on Higgins. As has been said by St Pats fans, another couple of games in the run in and they look like a side that could have nicked a title and could walk to silverware next season and beyond by double digits - title done by September 2025!!
Has there been a run in and potential last day with so many possible permutations since 94/95? Basement clubs will also have a significant input to the title destination the way fixtures have fallen albeit no Athlone like heroics last day, in Dundalk's case just handing over points but Drogheda could ruin Shels chances, scare Rovers, save Derry.
Just out of curiosity, for those who know how to work it out no matter how unlikely,what would be the odds on Drogheda dropping a couple of points and Dundalk taking all 9 remaining, opposition in mind too, and finishing 9th. I wouldnt put a cent on it, just for the laughs - I doubt bookies would even bother with an actual zombie club like Dundalk currently....
Last edited by Nesta99; 08/10/2024 at 7:45 PM.
Dundalk will probably be at least 3 to 1 for each of their matches and Drogs would be probably something like evens to lose or draw their matchs (odds for individual matchs would vary but talking general averages sp that would work out at 108 to 1 (3 wins for Dundalk and two losses or draws for Drogs)
Would be a bit longer as you have to pick the two out of the 3 results you need from them ......if you were asking me for odds id be offering 150 to 1
Edit: actually its worse i forgot they have 4 mayches left......sorry Nesta but you are in 300 to 1 plus territory..........save the stake money and buy a good map for the discover Ireland tour. I suspect/hope it will be a short enough spell down there so maybe go for a cheapish one
Last edited by sbgawa; 09/10/2024 at 9:30 AM.
Yup thougt itd be something ridiculous. It'd be a virtual discover Ireland tour lol, the one good thing about being in the 1st Division, like being in Europe, is getting to visit exotic and interesting places you wouldnt get to otherwise so missing that chance is a kick. As for bouncing back, Im not so sure, it would not be a shock for Finn Harps first ever game in Stranrolar to be v Dundalk opening the 2035 1st Division season!!
I wouldnt be that pessimistic
Im assuming the debts are done by a Scarp or by new investors.
One way or the other people arent going to take over the club and assume the debts unless they have the ability to pay them off or write them off.
Starting from scratch you will have bigger crowds and more sponsorship than all the other first division clubs so you should be able to assemble a compeititve squad at FD level to come up straight away even potentially with a 12 point deduction for Scarp...does the FAI rulebook mention Scarp i wonder??? you might escape on a technicality.
The problem will be when you do come up if your ownerss dont have the ability to commit to writing a big cheque you will struggle to be compeititive in the short term, but its not like you havent done it before
A quick glance at orielweb shows how united fans are in putting the shoulder to the wheel, how a new new owner has things so in hand he requests no fundraising, that things necessary for lciencing are totally being considered for funding to season end, not at all like some conspiracy by and on owners/FAI/expunnged results settling the league...from this fans perspective its worthy of the old Irish political classic GUBU! even for LoI.
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