FAO St Pats Fans - Groundsharing

**Student Mullet** · 20/09/2005, 1:42 PM

Originally Posted by Macy

Sporting tickets/entry are exempted from VAT in Ireland, afaik. No other tax due on it, so tax is an irrelevance when it comes to attendance figures. Nice try though.

The point is that if you understate your attendance you can keep money off the books and pay cash for either wages or expences, avoiding tax.

**Slash/ED** · 20/09/2005, 4:02 PM

Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

find that quote from me.
and ignore the substantive argument while you do.

How about here?

"because your success on the pitch has not been mirrored on the terraces. Rovers at their lowest ever ebb consitantly get more in the door, and pats aint having a great time either, but more punters in. "

And I've no intention with arguing with an idiot who talks out of their arse and clearly has little regard for truth while spewing their utter nonsense.

**ColinR** · 20/09/2005, 4:23 PM

Originally Posted by manic da hoop

No club in this league payes taxes on their players' wager except one - the club that gor deducted eight points for financial irregularities! You couldn't make it up

no need to get a moral high ground now. you were 'let off' a massive unpaid tax bill from before, that doesn't mean that you are now the only one's paying tax.

after our trouble a couple of years back, we brought ourselves under scrutiny from the revenue. i had a conversation later with our treasurer who was all for full time players, as "their tax credits and tax bands are not all used up from the day job, that you can actually end up saving as much in PAYE/PRSI as you loss in extra net wages". So we were certainly paying our tax at this stage (about 18 months ago) - i haven't been involved since, but i would presume that would certainly remain the case.

**higgins** · 20/09/2005, 4:37 PM

The point ColinR makes about tax cedits is a very good one.

Shels do get more in the gate then Rovers and Pats. That has been proved by figures on the attendance thread.

You may notice when we play in Tolka there is another team ther eon the same night

We call them away fans!! They post to the attendance thread too and ther ehas never been much doubt over the shels figures.

and a Rovers fan bragging about paying TAX!!!!!

As you said youself, you couldnt make that up...

**Roverstillidie** · 21/09/2005, 8:46 AM

Originally Posted by Slash/ED

How about here?

"because your success on the pitch has not been mirrored on the terraces. Rovers at their lowest ever ebb consitantly get more in the door, and pats aint having a great time either, but more punters in. "

And I've no intention with arguing with an idiot who talks out of their arse and clearly has little regard for truth while spewing their utter nonsense.

if an unoffical estimate thread on a forum is your scientific approach to attendences, who am i to argue.

the cameras are wrong. there are 6,000 shels fans hiding under the tv gantry aat every game. there were loads of you in dalymount i just didnt see. i take it all back.
you are getting the support a winning team in a city centre location who have spent a wedge on marketing should be getting. obviously.
everyone else is wrong.

**wws** · 21/09/2005, 9:23 AM

Originally Posted by higgins

The point ColinR makes about tax cedits is a very good one.

Shels do get more in the gate then Rovers and Pats. That has been proved by figures on the attendance thread.

You may notice when we play in Tolka there is another team ther eon the same night

We call them away fans!! They post to the attendance thread too and ther ehas never been much doubt over the shels figures.

and a Rovers fan bragging about paying TAX!!!!!

As you said youself, you couldnt make that up...

without doubt the dumbest post ever

**Slash/ED** · 21/09/2005, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

if an unoffical estimate thread on a forum is your scientific approach to attendences, who am i to argue.

Do you have problems reading?

**Roverstillidie** · 21/09/2005, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Slash/ED

Do you have problems reading?

christ, here we go.
i will do this nice and easy for the slow learners.

i, like other posters such as wws, contend that shels are the poorest supported of the big 4 Dublin clubs. just look at the dismal crowd they brought 2 weeks ago to dalymount. and this is as good as it has ever been for them and after a significant marketing drive.
in the absence of official/reliable attendence figures its my well formed opinion. and im not alone in this
what bit are you struggling with?

btw and are the mods alive? what happend to the policy againt personal abuse?

**higgins** · 21/09/2005, 12:07 PM

Having been to all or nearly all shels home games this season I can tell you that they beat the official averages from Pats and Rovers....

and thats my well formed opinion

I would think the people who attend Shels games would be best placed to comment on their attendances.

20 sec clips on EL weekly is a better then the attendances thread here is it?

**wws** · 21/09/2005, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by higgins

Having been to all or nearly all shels home games this season I can tell you that they beat the official averages from Pats and Rovers....

and thats my well formed opinion

I would think the people who attend Shels games would be best placed to comment on their attendances.

20 sec clips on EL weekly is a better then the attendances thread here is it?

no, official attendances - from metered stiles and league compliant ticketing procedures is the only judge - pats are in full compliance and publicise these on matchnights

what do shels do?

dont answer, we all know they dont publicise the returns to the el office - its their policy - reason - the figures are mostly sub 500

**Roverstillidie** · 21/09/2005, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by higgins

Having been to all or nearly all shels home games this season I can tell you that they beat the official averages from Pats and Rovers....

and thats my well formed opinion

I would think the people who attend Shels games would be best placed to comment on their attendances.

20 sec clips on EL weekly is a better then the attendances thread here is it?

Rovers dont issue official attendences, so you tripped yourself up immediatly.
im afraid we will have to agree to disagree.
if you think that the average shels crowd come close to the other dublin 3 there really is no talking to you.
please explain the 300 you brought to dalymount v rovers?
and no, i dont accept the attendance thread here as being anything other than what it is, a collection of official, unofficial and pure guess work.
if i go on there every week and say rovers got 9,000, it doesnt mean it happened.
an

**Slash/ED** · 22/09/2005, 8:45 AM

Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

in the absence of official/reliable attendence figures its my well formed opinion.

Again, have you problems reading?

Or is it you don't like the offical figures and are making up your own?

Yeah that sounds about right.

For Shels do publish offical figures and Rovers have published a few too.

**Vitruvian Man** · 24/09/2005, 9:17 PM

Shels brought a pathetic crowd to Dalymount for the game against us as well.

It was a good bit more than 300, between 750-1000 but shockingly low considering the success that they have had recently and that Dalymount is the nearest ground to home for them - literally within walking distance.

I also heard a funny story from one of the Bohs officials who attended the security briefing before the last Shels vrs Bohs.

They were trying to set the number of Stewards and Gardai who would have to work the game and were asking Ollie for his expected attendance and he said "not more than 2500." At that point the Bohs officials started laughing at him and said "Jesus I knew your crowds were bad Ollie but are you saying there will only be 500 Shels fans at the game because we are bringing 2000." At that Ollie stormed out of the meeting to the sound of Bohs officials and Garda having a good old laugh.

Of course It had crossed everybodies mind that Shelbourne had to pay for the stewards and the police so pretending the crowd would be lower would save that loveable old hooligan a few bob.

**Buller** · 24/09/2005, 9:40 PM

Originally Posted by Vitruvian Man

They were trying to set the number of Stewards and Gardai who would have to work the game and were asking Ollie for his expected attendance and he said "not more than 2500." At that point the Bohs officials started laughing at him and said "Jesus I knew your crowds were bad Ollie but are you saying there will only be 500 Shels fans at the game because we are bringing 2000." At that Ollie stormed out of the meeting to the sound of Bohs officials and Garda having a good old laugh.

LOL

Irelands biggest football hooligan at it again i see....