FAO St Pats Fans - Groundsharing

**manic da hoop** · 16/09/2005, 4:03 PM

I actually believe thaat there is huge potential for Shels in Fingal. Similarly to Tallaght it is a large part of Dublin that doesn't really have a club to callits own. With the city already bursting at the seams population growth in towns like Swords, Malahide, Donabate, Skerries and Balbriggan is only going to continue for years to come. With regard to exact ground location they just need to find somewhere central and close to a main road that they can aquire cheaply and is capable of getting PP. Tolka, despite great, and indeed costly, efforts has failed them in terms of tapping into a whole new, large fambase.

**anto eile** · 16/09/2005, 4:08 PM

Originally Posted by higgins

Dublin is located on the east coast of Ireland in the province of Leinster. The area formerly held county status until its dissolution as such in 1994, where Section 9 Part 1(a) of the Local Government (Dublin) Act, 1993 stated that as of 1st January 1994 "the county shall cease to exist"1. At that time, and in response to a European Council report highlighting Ireland as the most centralised country in the European Union, it was decided that a single County Dublin was unmanageable and undemocratic from a Local Government perspective. The county was formally abolished and replaced with Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown, Fingal, and South Dublin. The Government was fully aware of the magnitude of the legislation that was being passed, most poignantly noted by Deputy Avril Doyle in the D�il assembly of the 3rd of November 1993, where she declared "The Bill before us today effectively abolishes County Dublin. I am not sure whether Dubliners realise that that is what we are about today, but in effect that is the case"2. At present, many organisations, state agencies and sporting teams continue to operate on a "County Dublin" basis. Subsequently, much confusion exists around the legitimacy of the new counties - though they do have administrative county status, the only protected recognition of a county within the Irish State. The new counties, in place of County Dublin, will appear on all Irish national maps from 2006 onwards. The formal title of what was County Dublin in Irish legislation is now the Greater Dublin Area (GDA). The census of 2002 recorded the total population of the GDA at 1,122,821, accounting for 28% of the national figure.

interesting .. but not much to do with the actual debate!

**anto eile** · 16/09/2005, 4:20 PM

Originally Posted by pete

I hear Bohs & Shels will be sharing Dalymount a lot sooner than people think...

an unsubstantiated rumor on two dublin clubs posted by a corkie.
well.. i have to say.. IM CONVINCED!

**anto eile** · 16/09/2005, 4:22 PM

btw Rovers support is very much a pan-dublin thing. i know of loads of Hoops on the northside. (personally i view this north/south dublin "rivalry" to be a load of bullsh!t anyway-i dont subscribe to it)
the aforementined Hoops sc must be nearly 50/50 for north/south siders

**thejollyrodger** · 16/09/2005, 4:33 PM

Originally Posted by joeraki

Also Shels moving to a new stadium in Donabate is a load of bull.

Shels didnt get donabate rezoned for nothing

This thread is all speculation. I wouldnt be surpised if some dublin clubs shared grounds but I cant see it being Shels or Shams in any configeration

**joeraki** · 16/09/2005, 5:08 PM

Originally Posted by thejollyrodger

Shels didnt get donabate rezoned for nothing

Councils rezone land not football clubs.

And there we have Mulden again

1996
SDCC, give SRFC x amount of land
SRFC, ps ya dont mind if mates of ours help us out a bit with building it
SDCC, Not at all

2005
FCC, give SFC x amount of land
SFC, ps ya dont mind if mates of our help us out a bit with building it
FCC, Get the **** !

SDCC and FCC are from different parts of Dublin not different planets

**Troy.McClure** · 16/09/2005, 8:04 PM

Dont have time to read this thread, but if the government want to have ground sharing, cant they get a GAA club to go in with Pats and Rovers at Inchicore and Tallaght instead of one club having to move? More amenities, more locations, same money?

**Dr.Nightdub** · 16/09/2005, 9:57 PM

Originally Posted by Troy.McClure

Dont have time to read this thread, but if the government want to have ground sharing, cant they get a GAA club to go in with Pats and Rovers at Inchicore and Tallaght instead of one club having to move? More amenities, more locations, same money?

As it is, the pitch at Richmond is gonna have to be extended to be licence-compliant. There's no way there's room for a GAA pitch.

**BohDiddley** · 17/09/2005, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by Troy.McClure

Dont have time to read this thread, but if the government want to have ground sharing, cant they get a GAA club to go in with Pats and Rovers at Inchicore and Tallaght instead of one club having to move? More amenities, more locations, same money?

I'd much rather ground-share with the bogballers than with Shelbourne.

**pete** · 17/09/2005, 10:51 AM

The most logic ground shares in the country would be football & rugby so grounds used 12 months a year & only maybe 5 months overlap.

**higgins** · 17/09/2005, 12:55 PM

So Pete are you going to back up you comment of the Shels Bohs ground share?

**sullanefc** · 17/09/2005, 2:01 PM

Originally Posted by pete

The most logic ground shares in the country would be football & rugby so grounds used 12 months a year & only maybe 5 months overlap.

Do you think "Munster Rugby" and Cork City could get a grant to build a common stadium in Cork. I think this would work out well for both parties. The Celtic League games and Heineken Cup games that clash with City games could be played in Thomond, and the rest played in Cork. I think most City fans would be happy with that. Anyone else??

On the above point, would Musgrave Park be a suitable venue? Who owns that? And do Dolphin RFC have any claim to it and how often do they play there?

**Troy.McClure** · 18/09/2005, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by sullanefc

Do you think "Munster Rugby" and Cork City could get a grant to build a common stadium in Cork. I think this would work out well for both parties. The Celtic League games and Heineken Cup games that clash with City games could be played in Thomond, and the rest played in Cork. I think most City fans would be happy with that. Anyone else??

On the above point, would Musgrave Park be a suitable venue? Who owns that? And do Dolphin RFC have any claim to it and how often do they play there?

Id love that, a few points though.

There's acres of land in Musgrave Park: 3 rugby pitches, some training space, car parks, spare space.
MRFU (Munster Rugby) own the park but Dolphin/Sundays Well have a 100 year lease type thing on it that was renewed a few years agao AFIK
The stadium is a long long way off UEFA Licence standards.

As Dolphin and the Well both play there, the main pitch is used nearly every week in the domestic season, + some Munster games + the odd school game. If City were to move there I recon that one rugby team would have to move out, and I cant see this happening or else a new, low capacity ground would have to be built on one of the other 2 grounds but this is also unlikely as the remaining 2 pitches are for Dolphin and the Well and are used for training and underage games. The idea of a merger between Dolphin and the Well was rejected about 3 years ago so that prob wont happen.

Anyway this is off topic (kinda). But the idea of municipal ground sharig between different sports, which seems to happen everywhere else in the world except the UK, should be explored before merging teams.

**sullanefc** · 18/09/2005, 4:00 PM

Originally Posted by Troy.McClure

Id love that, a few points though.

There's acres of land in Musgrave Park: 3 rugby pitches, some training space, car parks, spare space.
MRFU (Munster Rugby) own the park but Dolphin/Sundays Well have a 100 year lease type thing on it that was renewed a few years agao AFIK
The stadium is a long long way off UEFA Licence standards.

As Dolphin and the Well both play there, the main pitch is used nearly every week in the domestic season, + some Munster games + the odd school game. If City were to move there I recon that one rugby team would have to move out, and I cant see this happening or else a new, low capacity ground would have to be built on one of the other 2 grounds but this is also unlikely as the remaining 2 pitches are for Dolphin and the Well and are used for training and underage games. The idea of a merger between Dolphin and the Well was rejected about 3 years ago so that prob wont happen.

Anyway this is off topic (kinda). But the idea of municipal ground sharig between different sports, which seems to happen everywhere else in the world except the UK, should be explored before merging teams.

I see why it wouldn't work now. Unless, the Munster FA were to come on board, and allow Dolphin and the Well to use Turners Cross if Cork City were allowed to play in a new done up Musgrave Park. Can't see that happening though.
I think that a common stadium for both Munster and Cork City would be the way to go. And Limerick FC could come to an agreement to share Thomond???

**kdjaC** · 19/09/2005, 1:32 PM

In the PL mag free with the Star Paul Lennon agress that the teams should groundshare.

Pragues model for Dublin

How Dublin and irish domestic football could with either of pragues 2 main grounds. While Sparta Pragues Sparta Stadium and Slavias Strahov Stadium are too small for the national team. They hold 20k and 19k respectively making it ideal for club football.

Altho Shels Shams Bohs and Pats could only dream of half filling those capactice on an occasional basis for big EL games both grounds would ideal for FAI final.

On Wed night little more than 15k watched spart and ajax play out a 1-1 in CL with a crap atmosphere. But replace the attendence with 15k passionate Derry/Bohs/Cork/Longford/Hoops and blue riband finale would be transformed from its current standing Lansdowne which is simply to vast for the crowd that attends.

Surely its time foe the four in Dublin to consider constructin joint sides of the liffey- Dalymount or tallaght

*article rewritten slightly to make some words smaller as my fingers hurt

Wonder where he got that informed opinion from?

Hi Paul...

kdjac

**wws** · 19/09/2005, 1:37 PM

this is a complete non runner on so many levels - its simply a way of terminating grant funding without having to justify or answer to anyone

well done FAI

great work again

**Slash/ED** · 19/09/2005, 6:28 PM

Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

so why exactly are shels planning on leaving a centrally located ground to move 20 miles up the coast? the scenery?

because your success on the pitch has not been mirrored on the terraces. Rovers at their lowest ever ebb consitantly get more in the door, and pats aint having a great time either, but more punters in.

oily wants a greenfield site and not have to compete with the bores and chf for local fans. hardly a secret!

Typical Rovers utter lies.

We don't get 'as many' as Rovers or Pats, we get more, check the attendence thread. I think we've a higher average than Bohs this season too but I haven't checked in a while.

**chippie0001** · 19/09/2005, 6:34 PM

Originally Posted by Slash/ED

Typical Rovers utter lies.

We don't get 'as many' as Rovers or Pats, we get more, check the attendence thread. I think we've a higher average than Bohs this season too but I haven't checked in a while.

Yeah but on you own MB its admited that they are not official attendances but guess's, where as the clubs clubs are official. Nothing wrong with guess work but we all know how wrong they can be.

**Slash/ED** · 19/09/2005, 6:36 PM

Originally Posted by chippie0001

Yeah but on you own MB its admited that they are not official attendances but guess's, where as the clubs clubs are official. Nothing wrong with guess work but we all know how wrong they can be.

What in the name of god are you on about?

Post the link to that thread.

The numbers are offical, coming from Bohs fans favourite Fintan Cassidy who works on the stiles.

They'd be pretty exact for guesses don't you think!?

**chippie0001** · 19/09/2005, 6:42 PM

Originally Posted by Slash/ED

What in the name of god are you on about?

Post the link to that thread.

The numbers are offical, coming from Bohs fans favourite Fintan Cassidy who works on the stiles.

They'd be pretty exact for guesses don't you think!?

Below is the quote and the link from Fintan as you say:

There's no club policy on official attendances - I used to check them out off my own bat from the stile readings. but stopped because it's too much bother and I couldn't be arsed any more.

I'd post them here in match threads and Jammer would list them on foot.ie

http://forum.shelbournefc.ie/chat/viewtopic.php?t=4267