QuoteIf you read it it does not say when he stopped. I never said complete I said guesses and well if they are not actual accurate figure well they must be a guess. Is that unreasonable?Originally Posted by Slash/ED
And in Bohs speak that becomes "They're complete guesses?"
He's stopped now, but the figures up to this point we're all the proper figures.
If you read it it does not say when he stopped. I never said complete I said guesses and well if they are not actual accurate figure well they must be a guess. Is that unreasonable?
I know when he stopped, it was when he stopped posting the figures. The UCD match and one other, the Drogheda one I think, are the only two league games without offical figures for Shels this season. He used to PM me and I'd put them on here, so all figures were offical bar UCD and Drogheda which he just didn't get.
Eitherway, by this stage of the season, the average would not change dramatically and it proves the original poster was talking b*ll*cks.
I think the Shelbourne figures are 100% accurate. After all, if there was any doubt they would only have to count the number of tickets to get the exact figure.................
What do you mean they don't sell ticketsWell never mind, I think we can all trust Shelbourne
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i'm sick of this absolute bs from shels re attendances - any fool can watch el weekly and see the facts - pats have been consistently getting over 1000 all season - even down the bottom of the league table - can anyone watching last nights 1 man and a dog fest at tolka claim the same for shels??? Dont make me laugh - its been sub 1000 all the way bar the visits of the other main dublin clubs
absolute bulls.hit
and its getting tiresome at this stage listnening to ppl from tolka talk up their non exsistent crowds
heres a guess to add to the bulls.t guestimate thread -- paying punters at Shels v Waterford? less than 500.
Last edited by wws; 20/09/2005 at 10:35 AM.
So we will overstate our crowds and pay the extra tax just to make ourselves look "good"?
Wow you have our number alright!
Don't even bother with the wum WWS, he's Joey Ndos best mate don't you know
by that i assume you mean me?
so are you happy with shels crowds? are you happy with them relative to the other big 3 in dublin?
Rovers Bohs and Pats are having poor seasons. Shels are in the middle of their most successful period ever . All 4 have had relatively consistant crowds. Rovers and Bohs appear to get a minimum of c1,500 at games, pats 1,000 and shels 800. Derby crowds and away fans swell this, but thats the bedrock.
Ultimatlely shelbournes 'hardcore' support has not in anyway increased with their success. Unlike Rovers, Pats and Bohs when they were winning in the 90's.
You brought a pitiful crowd to Dalymount 2 weeks ago. Its half a mile from your home ground and there were 300 of you. The champions playing your fiercest rivals. 300.
Im aware Rovers crowds arent what they should be, but if we were established in Tallaght, winning things and had a €35k a week wage bill, and still couldnt pull 1,000 for non derby games I would ask qustions. My reply would not see me pulling dubious unofficial stats of a website.
No you said they all got better. You were talking out of your arse.
i give up, these goons would have us believe that there is 1000 punters "hidden from view" of the tv cameras - given they officially close half their ground its laughable - like I said sub 500 crowds are the shels bedrock
pats the only team in dublin that can put its hand up and say we have got over 1000 for every home game this year - and thats the official figure - we've fck all to hide unlike shels - we announce the figure at the game - the figure which is in the return to the el office as opposed to some BS that the bloke in a turnstiles whispers to his mates- and its nowt to do with tax you fool - its the image problem that ollie has with releasing accurate attendances figures - they're so sh.t its embareesing for shels to admit the reality
find that quote from me.
and ignore the substantive argument while you do.
The only accurate way to judge crowds is to only include home support. This will show Dublin crowds down a huge amount in recent years which must be very concerning.
as an aside to this two of the teams in the Champions league group stages regularly play in front of less than 1,500 ppl
its irrelevant in my opinion - Irish football can improve in many areas but crowds will NEVER change
what we got is what it is - only those challenging for leagues will get temporary upswings - witness the cork bandwagon...
Last edited by wws; 20/09/2005 at 11:59 AM.
Sporting tickets/entry are exempted from VAT in Ireland, afaik. No other tax due on it, so tax is an irrelevance when it comes to attendance figures. Nice try though.
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
We have over 1,000 at every league game this season, 1100 being the lowest so far. Those are official attandances too.
Pathetic that we are argueing about getting over 1000 people but I agree with WWS, crowds will not come out long term unless something very dramatic happens.
You are right there is no VAT on the tickets. So unless Accolade makes a profit on football, they pay no tax even if they get 100,000 a week in the gate.
they have to pay tax on wages though. incidentally their lowest paid player earns E250 a week-thats one of the young players in his first year in the first team.
with wages negotiated at net rate shels must be paying considerable amounts of tax and prsi.thats assuming ollie didnt carry out his threat to the revenue of never paying tax again
anyway point is shels do/should pay tax, if only on players wages (which is still equivalent to the entire yearly budgets of other clubs)
[QUOTE=anto eile]they have to pay tax on wages though. incidentally their lowest paid player earns E250 a week-thats one of the young players in his first year in the first team.
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No club in this league payes taxes on their players' wager except one - the club that gor deducted eight points for financial irregularities! You couldn't make it up
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I don't see why exaggerating crowds and paying extra tax go hand in hand.
You can fiddle the attendance figures any way you want and still avoid paying any extra tax, simply by claiming that a large proportion of the crowd are on student/child/oap rates, or even on freebies.
And also, Ollie Byrne has stated in the national press that Shelbourne will not pay tax because of the Rovers situation.
Are you sure about that? Would've thought the likes of Harps would be pretty well run, and I remember they said they issue pay slips etc...No club in this league payes taxes on their players' wager except one - the club that gor deducted eight points for financial irregularities! You couldn't make it up
What did come out of your examinership is the huge amount of wages being paid as expenses, so PAYE exempt. If or when the revenue investigate that, most clubs will be fooked.
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
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