EL Investigation Committee Report

[wws]

The bit that bugs me here is that Shels officials checked the baners as they were being put up. They forced the lads to cut out sections of some banners and insisted others couldn't be displayed at all. In my opinion Shels gave their consent to what appeared on the night.

The flares on the pitch-side of the ad boards was a bit dodgy but there's logic in there somewhere. When it was planned, it was decided that it would be safer to set off flares on the other side of the barriers seeing as the Shed is used for the "Kids go Free" promotion. Also the drop between the playing surface and the bottom of the terracing at the front of the Shed is a long one, which couple with the height of the ad boards would have meant the flares weren't visible from the rest of the ground. The area in front of the Shed was used for several reasons (so I'm told)...1. The wind that night would have blown the smoke straight back into the Jodi if flares had been lit on that side of the ground. 2. The lights in the roof of the Jodi make it too bright for flares to be effective. 3. There weren't enough flares to go the length of the Jodi and there's no point in doing things by halves.

Apparently the lads who were on the pitch were all sound non-hoolie types who just wanted add to the buzz of the night. There was nothing very threatening about the whole episode. The "Judas" banner probably hadn't been in the plans at all... it just appeared. Access to the pitch was controlled so no undesirables got on, sand buckets were waiting at the corner so hot flares wouldn't be carried back into the spectator areas and the fire bloke was happy everything was being done as safely as possible. I honestly don't see what all the fuss is about.

sounds pre-planned to me

the most heinous of all crimes is to pre plan things or to show initiative and thought before doing something - THE FAI CANNOT AND WILL NOT TOLERATE SUCH LIBERAL USE OF ONES NOGGIN - IRISH FOOTBALL CANNOT TAKE THIS ON BOARD!

[higgins]

Does anyone read the text from the fines before they post here, or do you all just jump in and start to blame others for your clubs problems?

It further unanimously decided that Shamrock Rovers FC be fined €1,000 for the display of two offensive banners by its supporters and the encroachment of its supporters onto the playing area at the end of the Premier Division Shelbourne v Shamrock Rovers fixture on June 17th last.

The 1K fine was not just for banners and I very much doubt without the encroachment onto the pitch part would it have gone any further ?? If they get a similar fine because of the banner last Friday then fair enough but the fine was not just for the banner.

About Fenlon and the TV gantry,
Where will Gareth Farrelly go over the next few weeks while serving his ban?
At the time Fenlon was banned there was no time specified for after the game. These days it clearly says a time so thats why he exited by the car park at the Rovers game (or at least he would have if Rovers didnt come to say hello )

[Schumi]

the fine was not just for the banner.

No but a part of it clearly was.

[pete]

At the time Fenlon was banned there was no time specified for after the game.

The TV gantry is within 50 yards/metres of the pitch.
How could Fenlon get to the gantry if not via the pitch?

[higgins]

The TV gantry is within 50 yards/metres of the pitch.
How could Fenlon get to the gantry if not via the pitch?

Im not sure you even deserve a reply to be honest

BUT ,,,,,,,,,

How does any manager that is banned watch the game when at Dalymount? When you work it out then you may have an answer.

[pete]

How does any manager that is banned watch the game when at Dalymount? When you work it out then you may have an answer.

The eL/FAI changed the bans at the start of this season - all bans dictate that managers had to be 50m away from the pitch, technical areas etc... Last year the 50m issue didn't not exist so could watch from stand etc...

[higgins]

thats great Pete...

but have you figured it out yet?

[Réiteoir]

so how about the fact that he walked across the pitch to leave Dalymount after the Bohemians match?

[Drumcondra Red]

The ban stated it was for "the duration of the match" you tool!!!

[chippie0001]

I personally think the FAI have made a mess of this. For having a protest on the pitch with flares it warrents a €3000 fine. For striking a player with a bottle warrants a €200 fine. Now personally I know which I gather to be far more serious, but maybe what the FAI want the fans to go down this route as it is far more cheaper and if you don't like the player far more dangerous to him.

[bohs til i die]

higgins, you have to be the biggest hypocrit alive. You wont ackowledge the crimes of Ollie and are very quick to point the finger at other clubs.

Bohs have some stuff to sort, never denied it, but so have Shels and you wont admit to it.

Football in this country needs football fans, not Ole Ole brigade tossers like you who dont seem to want football fans in Ireland to do what football fans the world over do.

Football is a tribal thing, us against them, rivalry and hatred. The flares on the grass verge in front of the ad boards shouldnt have happened there, but its done, cant be changed. But there was no violence of any sort from Bohs fans, the only violence was threatened by Ollie and Fenlon. Will you admit that is wrong or bury your head in your paint riddled sandpit of a pitch?

Football 'fans' in this country need to start being football fans. This sanctimonious bullsh1t about prim and proper football fans is a load of ****. Nights lime our 2-1 defeat in Tolka were the riverside was crammed, there was raw passion and hatred. Thats football. Nights like that are few and far between in the EL, which is a real shame.


Flares, banners [offensive or otherwise], smoke, colour, noise, passion, hatred. T Thats football. You dont like that, then fukk off.

[Drumcondra Red]

Riverside crammed??? Few pints beforehand? Seeing double were you???

[dcfcsteve]

higgins, you have to be the biggest hypocrit alive. You wont ackowledge the crimes of Ollie and are very quick to point the finger at other clubs.

Bohs have some stuff to sort, never denied it, but so have Shels and you wont admit to it.

Football in this country needs football fans, not Ole Ole brigade tossers like you who dont seem to want football fans in Ireland to do what football fans the world over do.

Football is a tribal thing, us against them, rivalry and hatred. The flares on the grass verge in front of the ad boards shouldnt have happened there, but its done, cant be changed. But there was no violence of any sort from Bohs fans, the only violence was threatened by Ollie and Fenlon. Will you admit that is wrong or bury your head in your paint riddled sandpit of a pitch?

Football 'fans' in this country need to start being football fans. This sanctimonious bullsh1t about prim and proper football fans is a load of ****. Nights lime our 2-1 defeat in Tolka were the riverside was crammed, there was raw passion and hatred. Thats football. Nights like that are few and far between in the EL, which is a real shame.


Flares, banners [offensive or otherwise], smoke, colour, noise, passion, hatred. T Thats football. You dont like that, then fukk off.

It depends how you define "hatred", but a bitter, gut-wrenching dislike of opposing teams is NOT part of the culture of football everywhere. Nor has it been part of the culture of football anywhere for any great length of time (i.e. only a small number of decades).

Football fans have their favourites, and their dislikes. They have teams who they consider the enemy etc. But if you're saying that all-consuming, bordering on extreme anger/violence hatred is endemic to football then you're quite simply wrong. It's a relatively recent manifestation in only some football countries. There is little genuine 'hatred' within the Eircom League (again - I'm taking a strong definition of a word that covers a wide spectrum of emotions...)

[joeraki]

It depends how you define "hatred", but a bitter, gut-wrenching dislike of opposing teams is NOT part of the culture of football everywhere. Nor has it been part of the culture of football anywhere for any great length of time (i.e. only a small number of decades).

Football fans have their favourites, and their dislikes. They have teams who they consider the enemy etc. But if you're saying that all-consuming, bordering on extreme anger/violence hatred is endemic to football then you're quite simply wrong. It's a relatively recent manifestation in only some football countries. There is little genuine 'hatred' within the Eircom League (again - I'm taking a strong definition of a word that covers a wide spectrum of emotions...)

Maybe in places like Andorra and the Faores and the likes. I've done a fair amount of travelling around Europe and the level of hatred some clubs (even the usually unheard of ones) have for their rivals is crazy. Even in crap leagues like the Slovenian where creat craic watching some teams fans going mad at games.

True theres very little hatred in the EL. Everyone seems to hate Rovers and Bohs and they really hate each other. If either of them clubs where on top of their game around the same time, you watch the hatred level grow within the EL.

Love in's are too gay anyway for my likings

[dcfcsteve]

Football merely mirrors the societies in which it exists.

It's therefore no coincidence that the level of 'hatred' grows as you travel towards less stable, politically mature, or dare I say it 'advanced' nations.

[Billy Lord]

Having been to around a hundred games across Europe, I can vouch that what passes for hooliganism in the EL is nothing compared to the stuff that goes on in Britain or elsewhere across Europe.
A little thought, some objectivity and an ounce of realism would prevent 99.9% of what is clearly minor trouble at games in Ireland. Smart stewarding and proper policing would be a start.

[higgins]

higgins, you have to be the biggest hypocrit alive. You wont ackowledge the crimes of Ollie and are very quick to point the finger at other clubs.

What have I defended Ollie over?

I have seen all the incidents that I spoke about. I seen the Rovers fans the other night as they went towards the shed, I seen the fight outside Tolka with Bohs fans a few weeks back. I was at the game where Bohs did their little flare/judas piece, I was in Tolka when the Rovers fans came over to the Drumcondra Stand.

Quick to point the finger on matters that I know a little about.

What have I defended Ollie about that was later proved to be untrue.

Trouble is with you lot that when Shels or Ollie come out on the good side its due to Shels and Ollie making up the rules ??? You cant win!!...
I have never made a comment on the incidents involving Ollie, Fenlon and others asking for fights after the game as I simply didnt witness it. I never said that it never happened and dont think I made any comment on it at all. Who did I defend?? As for the muppets who come along to shels games now, if you seen the shels message board you would know I have not defended them.

[Réiteoir]

you tool!!!

I find that comment directed at me to be grossly offensive.

I demand that you now pay me €3,000 and stay 50 metres away from this forum for the duration of two hours before, during and after the next home game.

[Jerry The Saint]

I find that comment directed at me to be grossly offensive.

I demand that you now pay me €3,000 and stay 50 metres away from this forum for the duration of two hours before, during and after the next home game.

You tool! You didn't say how long after the game he has to stay 50 metres away! Shelbourne will have this ban overturned and now you'll have to pay Drumcondra Red €3,000!

[EnDai]

I find the tone of your demands offensive, and request your settlement from Drumcondra Red, in addition to €50 for every vowel in your preceeding written statement, and a doughnut.