QuoteI'm surpised he gets the time....given the amount of ref and security reports they have to tamper with up there
Spot on and we should do it together and any appeal should be a joint one too. If the two most bitter rivals in the league can co-operate (as the report admits) and Shels don't even turn up to security meetings then that speaks volumes about Shels contempt for the league and the other clubs.Originally Posted by bohsbitch
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I'm surpised he gets the time....given the amount of ref and security reports they have to tamper with up there
I think fines for flares are fine (no pun intended) as Bohs clearly made no effort to prevent or stop the fans display.€500 * 6 = €3000. Rules ban flares so i've no problem as long as ruling is consistent.
I cannot understand how a club can be fined for banners its fans displayed at an AWAY game??? Who decides whats offensive? Will clubs still be fined even if they remove the banners? That decision defies belief.
I won't argue, the rules are the rules - that's fair enough.
But why no fine for Shelbournes flare display vrs Rovers.
4*500 = €2000
I agree with this in principle but will only ever accept it when the fines are applied to everyone.
Some say the glass is half empty, some say the glass is half full, I say, are you going to drink that?
100 euro per flare for pats (even though there was only one flare at the game)
shels have recently broke this rule - and done it on tv - I dont advocate fines for this but given that certain clubs are jumping on th emoral high horse it will be interesting if this is swept under the carpet
I dont know what rovers ultras put on there banners but if they dont make a stand of fighting this fine than we can all forget about it
fans flags and colour - and yes offesive banners are the lifeblood of the game, this committee have picke dthe wrong fight
I do not believe that stewards should "prevent" flares - such stupidity leads to injuries.
I don't advocate use of flares by the way, they are dangerous and passé tbh but pig headed stewarding of flares will lead to more trouble than sensible use of the flares
Last edited by wws; 14/09/2005 at 1:37 PM.
No-one can argue that the event Management of both Bohs and Rovers have come a long way. Both games we have played this year have been very successful and would have been even more so, had the recommendations of the clubs been accepted by the Gardai.
If we can work together so closely and successfully, there is no reason why every club in the league should have event management problems.
The two teams who, in my eyes, have made more positive changes to how they approach matches etc are the ones to suffer. Why bother??
Some say the glass is half empty, some say the glass is half full, I say, are you going to drink that?
On eL weekly on Monday night the camera panned to the Shels support where a handful of flares were lit - why no fines for these?
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use of the term 'Oily' means this an illegal and nonsensical fine!
class clownism from the EL office
btw check out any all ireland final - the boggers go to great lengths destroying bedsheets to come up with slags of the opposition.....will the EL protect us from these "miscreants"
now that ive seen the flag above this fine is a farce!
well a committee meeting re last w/e's matches wont be for a mnth or so - this is normal - my point in bringing it up was to make sure no-one forgets their civic duty!
Yes its Ollie who pulls all the strings is it ??If we're not going to fight this, the league, the FAI and Shels will continue to get away with murder.
Even the string where he banned himself for a month and fined himself 2KOr maybe it was the decision he made to ban the Shels manager for 4 games at a time in the year when we really need him!! Or to dish out the highest ever manager fine for a red card of 1K to him.....
Thats what the fight with Roddy was about wasnt itAlso Ollie publically claimed to have been at a league management meeting where Rovers were discussed. The management committee explicitly note that no such incident occurred. This is arguably the most offensive of all "allegations" mentioned since it brings the league management committee into disrepute, yet again Ollie gets off scot free.
You all took the word of Roddy before Ollie is my take. Facts were he never said what he was meant to have said and Roddy made it up.
Mybe at the next shels game you can bring along your 'Roddy is a liar' banner ?
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What meeting was that Northside Hoop ?
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ah no - Shels won't get fined for the flares against Rovers.
It happened in Dalymount - so Bohs will be fined again.
Fined for incidents in games you're not even playing in!
What next - fines for looking at Fenlon in an offensive manner?
Kom Igen, FCK...
remember shels were fined something like a total of E5,200 over the last couple of weeks relating to fenlon (E1000), oily (E2000) ,bottle throwing by fans, and players discipline, (or shocking lack of more like)
I think it had a lot to do with the fact it was a planned 'event' not just because there were flares.
Also nobody at the club told you to stop or no security on the night made much effort to stop it either.
Dont try to twist the issue into just one of flares being used. It was a little more serious then that.
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Well said Anto eile
If only others had the capacity to remember things that happened over a week previous they could have saved themselves getting so worked up and blaming Shels for their problems.
Its just too easy to blame Ollie on everything,,
Northside Hoop....
What did your manager say on the radio about Ollie in the run up to the Shels Rovers game?
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"cheap cigs for sale, contact ollie"
and
"ollie-irelands number 1 hooligan"
number two is true,given his well-known track record, but you might actually have to take it to court first to prove, before protestign the committees decision to levy a fine for the banner.
italian clubs are regularly fined for banners afaik-though im not sure of the criteria,whether its general offensiveness or only racist ones are fined.
two suggestions:
1: simple rule should be:racist banners should be fined, offensive (wihout bad language) shouldnt be fined
2: a scale of fines for clubs who refuse to send delegates to security meetings. ie E500 for missing one meeting, E1000 for missing a second, E2000 for a third, then finally points deductions for continuous absence
You're absolutely right. Compare like with like and don't forget what you're own club is guilty of:
"shelbourne pre planned a flare display v shamrock rovers in the same ground - all over the tv"
Some say the glass is half empty, some say the glass is half full, I say, are you going to drink that?
Are you saying what Bohs done that night was the same as what Shels done against Rovers last week?
Your nuts if you are.........
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