EL Investigation Committee Report

**OneRedArmy** · 13/09/2005, 8:57 PM

Originally Posted by superfrank

Did anyone else notice it was all to do with Dublin teams??

I'm surprised you're not more annoyed that the disgraceful "shoe robbing and throwing around" incident at Dalyer didn't get a mention?!

**WeAreRovers** · 14/09/2005, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

so have i got the gist of it:

rovers - scott free
shels- despite the fact they tried to block the whole thing, essentially off the hook
bohs - hooligans and animals

nice!

That's it in a nutshell but I actually have a lot of sympathy for Bohs (a brand new emotion for me!) I think they were well stitched-up. Just imagine if our old regime had been in place, Rovers fans would have been hammered. At least we can now stick up for ourselves.

Basically though the upshot is that Ollie and Shels run the league. Very depressing but hardly surprising.

I just hope that Roddy has the balls for once in his life to actually follow through with his legal action against Ollie. He may have the eL in his pocket but we know from past experience that Ollie doesn't like going to court.

KOH

**wws** · 14/09/2005, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Fintan Cassidy

You're getting mixed up - its Bohs who have to make the changes - close their bar beside the dressing room for 1 hour before and after matches. They also have to install a tunnel to provide protection to players and technical staff. The report also disbelieves Bohs officials:

"Despite strenuous denials by Bohemian FC representatives that the protest was pre planned it is clear that a level of tolerance existed to this protest. The Committee find several of the assertions by Bohemian FC representatives surprising and contradictory. "

shelbourne pre planned a flare display v shamrock rovers in the same ground - all over the tv - the brigoid dearg who pre plan these displays have been funded extensively by the shelbourne board (in fact they are the only fans group that are officially recognised and funded by their own club to the best of my knowledge - and this funding indicates a degree of collusion and pre planning in their activities which shels officials are very much part of)

if there is no fines dished out to shels for this (100 euro per flare as per the same fines for a recent fixture in that ground - i counted 4 at least) than the league hasnt a leg to stand on.....

*btw ive no desire to see clubs fined for flare displays but consistency in these matters is crucial to the disciplinary committees credibility

**BohDiddley** · 14/09/2005, 12:23 PM

It's a topsy-turvy world!

These people are standing logic on its head. How they can put out that report and hope to maintain any credibility is a mystery. Fenlon shouldn't even have been at that match. Something stinks.

**Buile Shuibhne** · 14/09/2005, 12:29 PM

Fines for Bohs & Rovers

http://forum.shelbournefc.ie/chat/viewtopic.php?t=4257

**bohsbitch** · 14/09/2005, 12:34 PM

We have been fined for insufficient steward numbers at an away game!!!!!

Rovers fined for insulting Ollie.

Shels - �0.

Does it make sense to you?? Who controls the league??? I wonder!

I honestly feel like I'm about to wake up from this nightmare.

**Vitruvian Man** · 14/09/2005, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by wws

shelbourne pre planned a flare display v shamrock rovers in the same ground - all over the tv - the brigoid dearg who pre plan these displays have been funded extensively by the shelbourne board (in fact they are the only fans group that are officially recognised and funded by their own club to the best of my knowledge - and this funding indicates a degree of collusion and pre planning in their activities which shels officials are very much part of)

But because this happened at a Shamrock Rovers home game the El will probably see fit to fine the hoops over this.

I wonder should we have a whip around to fund Roddys legal action against Irelands No. 1 Football Hooligan.

**Roverstillidie** · 14/09/2005, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by bohsbitch

We have been fined for insufficient steward numbers at an away game!!!!!

Rovers fined for insulting Ollie.

Shels - �0.

Does it make sense to you?? Who controls the league??? I wonder!

I honestly feel like I'm about to wake up from this nightmare.

agree 100%.

how the hell did this happen?

**bohsbitch** · 14/09/2005, 12:44 PM

If Bohs and Rovers do not release some sort of statement to the media ASAP we might as well give up.

If we're not going to fight this, the league, the FAI and Shels will continue to get away with murder. No-one else is going to stand up for us.

**EnDai** · 14/09/2005, 12:49 PM

What can they say? We'll be hit hard after the Ollie/Roddy investigation, as far as I can see. Thats the only reason we've not been fined there, because they are waiting till the court trial thingy is over.

**Gareth** · 14/09/2005, 12:51 PM

Just on the point of Bohs Technical area, I am assuming its because of the following but I could be wrong.

If you go in the Officials/Players/Press Entrance, you are confronted with Dressing rooms and a corridor were officials and players could/will be. Walking to the door on the left, you go straight into the bar. Is this door locked? It was open the last time I was there and maybe people use it to go outside? Anyways I am assuming that is the problem with the Technical area. Technical areas are not just on the pitch to the man who said did Bohs build a new bar on the other side.

The highest awarded fines just keep getting bigger.

**bohsbitch** · 14/09/2005, 12:55 PM

Why were Bohs fans fined for a flare display and shels fans weren't? Both matches were part of the investigation.

What is the breakdown of the 17 sanctions received by officials?? No Bohs board member has received one!

How can you fine an away team for stewarding numbers at a match?

How can you fine a club for banners displayed by fans? Unless they are blatantly racist etc.

How can the committee accept the evidence of one person (Pat Fenlon) yet find evidence from a number of other people "Unsubstantiated"?

The list of problems with the report is endless.

**bohsbitch** · 14/09/2005, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by Gareth

Just on the point of Bohs Technical area, I am assuming its because of the following but I could be wrong.

If you go in the Officials/Players/Press Entrance, you are confronted with Dressing rooms and a corridor were officials and players could/will be. Walking to the door on the left, you go straight into the bar. Is this door locked? It was open the last time I was there and maybe people use it to go outside? Anyways I am assuming that is the problem with the Technical area. Technical areas are not just on the pitch to the man who said did Bohs build a new bar on the other side.

The highest awarded fines just keep getting bigger.

That's the home dressing room which is not in question.

**Vitruvian Man** · 14/09/2005, 1:00 PM

It seems in the EL's warped world that actions or omissions that actually put spectators at risk, such as resfusing to attend security meetings with Gardai and opposition, or invading the pitch to attack other fans, are not as serious as actions which are "insulting" to another club.

Go figure.

**Roverstillidie** · 14/09/2005, 1:00 PM

Originally Posted by EnDai

What can they say? We'll be hit hard after the Ollie/Roddy investigation, as far as I can see. Thats the only reason we've not been fined there, because they are waiting till the court trial thingy is over.

shels wont be fined for oily v roddy, oily will. same difference ultimatley, but vital in terms of optics. If shels are due a fine pending legals there would have been a caveat to say so. And thats one of the 2 games shels were involved in. what about the other.

�1,000 for a pitch invasion, expensive but accepted in principle.
�1,000 for 'insulting banners'? Do me a favour. Whats next, fines for offensive songs and chants?

Bohs fined for lack of security at a shels home match?

This is very, very murky!!

**wws** · 14/09/2005, 1:05 PM

Originally Posted by Vitruvian Man

But because this happened at a Shamrock Rovers home game the El will probably see fit to fine the hoops over this..

I was hoping this would be brought up - the league set a precedent recently fining an AWAY team for flares - the match was also at Dalymount Park - Rovers were also the home team - The AWAY team Pats were fined for flares (two - even though only ONE flare was lit - I know this as irrefutable fact).

Now, Shels officially santioned and funded fans group lit minimum 4 flares DURING a game v rovers - also in dalymount - also in the shed end.
WILL THEY BE FINED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ABOVE??????

The current statement doesnt relate to this match - but it will be up for consideration at the next disciplinary committee meeting.

If the league fail to act on this than i can only conclude that the disciplinary committee has no credibility and/ or is being subject to undue influence from vested interests or is directed in its findings by perceived need to react to high profile incidents highlighted in the media rather than consistently following its own line.

Anyway as a fan im disgusted with the latest incidents - we've allowed the FAI suits dictate fan culture - the tail is wagging the dog - and fans of all clubs should break these regulations v OFFENSIVE flags (part and parcel of the Italian game for decades) at EVERY game.....anything else is letting the bastrds win.

I believe the writing on the flags in questions were statements of fact? can anyone confirm? if so the fans should sue the league and shelbourne/brigaid dearg football club

**Buile Shuibhne** · 14/09/2005, 1:08 PM

Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

Bohs fined for lack of security at a shels home match?

This is very, very murky!!

The match in question is Bohemians Vs Shelbourne in Dalymount on 27th May - a Bohs home game.

**bohsbitch** · 14/09/2005, 1:10 PM

The Statement says it was "the Bohemians v Shamrock Rovers Premier Division fixture on May 27th last."

Now we're getting fined for fictional matches!