So its the fans fault basically?
And no more smoke and flares?
And Ollie's innocent?
Whats needed is tough action and that "report" (in the loosest term) is just wishy-washy 'we're all in this together so everybody pull up your socks and run along now' clap-trap.
Bohs v Shels.
I feel can comment on this match as attended as neutral - well as neutral as is possible anyway
Hilarious! Fenlon was banned from that match so if he'd obeyed the ban couldn't have been "abused"The committee accept the evidence of Pat Fenlon, Manager of Shelbourne, that Bohemians supporters verbally abused him on the evening of the match. The Committee find that the security was insufficient on the night and that more positive steps could have been taken to avoid the type of confrontation such as that occurred.
Of course no comment whatsoever on Fenlon breaking the ban - walking across the pitch after the match definitely occured!
I agree that stewarding was insufficient for flares issue & does set a precedent. I disagree that stewarding lead to any danger for anyone.
What was on these banners? Unless the text on a banner is racist or similar then its stupid to suggest is offense. Just because a Manager/Player/Official doesn't like it then having stewards wading it to remove will cause more trouble. Was this a certain hooligan banner?3) Shelbourne FC –v- Shamrock Rovers Match 17th June 2005
1. The Committee find that the two banners displayed on the night were
undoubtedly offensive. One banner was removed within 10 minutes but a second offensive banner was allowed remain in place throughout the match. The Committee find this unacceptable and recommend that such offensive banner should be removed in the future. The Committee also believe that these banners were pre planned and orchestrated and were designed to cause the maximum offence to Oliver Byrne and Shelbourne FC
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I dont necessarily agree. It calls Oily a direct liar which is always nice.
I actually think it doesnt really blame the fans at all. Match day coordinators and the cops get it in the neck. Shels come out of it worst, and from the sounds of it they want tolka rebuilt to keep fans away from teh technical area.
Re the Rovers Bohs game. Did we need an investigation to tell you what we told you all along:that after the game, the bohs fans refused to move, some rovers fans took the law into their own hands. At which point they promptly moved. The lack of cordination between event planner and gardai is code for the cops overruled the SRFC/BFC pre-agreed plans and made s hite of the whole thing.
references to cheap cigarettes. and a thuggish ceo's.Originally Posted by pete
offensive to 1 man only.
You're getting mixed up - its Bohs who have to make the changes - close their bar beside the dressing room for 1 hour before and after matches. They also have to install a tunnel to provide protection to players and technical staff. The report also disbelieves Bohs officials:
"Despite strenuous denials by Bohemian FC representatives that the protest was pre planned it is clear that a level of tolerance existed to this protest. The Committee find several of the assertions by Bohemian FC representatives surprising and contradictory. "
They want Dalymount rebuilt, not Tolka.
Pete does make an important point. If Nutsy was verbally abused while in the technical area, what was he doing there, he was banned.
Is this the quote you're referring to?
I read this as Ollie being vindicated
"It is evident to the Committee that the pre match hysteria contributed significantly to the problems at the match. Comments and allegations made by both clubs to the media about the alleged conduct of each other’s supporters surrounding the Setanta Cup Final undoubtedly resulted in a highly charged atmosphere leading up to the match. The Committee are of the view that comments and accusations expressed by Club Officials to the media are a significant contributory factor to many of the incidents which have occurred at matches and which the Committee had been asked to investigate."
I would assume that this refers to Ollie very public allegations that Rovers fans started the trouble prior to the Setanta and therefore was the quote the Rovers fans were referring to
That says nothing about him being a liar, only a sh*stirrer. Two different qualities in a person
Shels refused tos end anyone to the Event meeting, not for the first time, so any issues arising from stewarding numbers can be directly attributed to a lack of input from them.
No Bohs fan was in the technical area, all Bohs fans were in front of block A, a spectator area. No mention of several Shels players and officials trying to gain entry to thsi area to confront Bohs fans. Its a pile of crap.
The flares thing shouldnt have happened pitch side, but everything else is ******. What happens in EL grounds is tame. Nobody gets hurt and if Bohs fans abusing Fenlon who shouldnt be near the dressingroom gets Bohs into trouble, why ahsnt Fenlon's ban been re-issued so he can actually serve it?
How nice it is that the person who posted the report sees fit to highlight in bold just the passages that detail the supposed Bohemians wrongdoings - but nothing else.
But then I suppose the report came in from the League like that, eh?
How about actually obeying any ban that your coaching staff incur - as pete said earlier:
And I'd never thought I'd hear the day when the League banned Free-Speech - may as well move the whole thing to North Korea or China and be done with itFenlon was banned from that match so if he'd obeyed the ban couldn't have been "abused"
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One other thing that's occurred to me:
At Dalymount - aren't the Technical Areas over the other side of the pitch from the bars - that's where the dugouts certainly are.
Unless we've opened another three bars I've never heard of
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I would assume the areas on the way to and from the dressing rooms
they were cordoned off with barrers, which were re-positioned by Ddave Rogers and Ollie Byrne when they tried to get into the area in front of block A to have a go at Bohs fans.
BTID
Large sections of this report could have been written by Mr Cassidy himself and are almost verbatum to what I have seen on Shels posts around the net. The parts relevant to Rovers are also written almost entirely from their clubs point of view.
This tells me that the Bohs officials got massacred by their opposite counterparts even in areas where we should have had a good case. We have to look within to see how this happened. I'll send you an e-mail.
I hope Shels will close off their bar too, thats even closer to the "technical area" than the Bohz one is (and even then, isnt that one supposed to be for players and VIPs?)
As I say, we're just young & a bit nieve.
Did anyone else notice it was all to do with Dublin teams??
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shhh - this only involves the big boys - run along now
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so have i got the gist of it:
rovers - scott free
shels- despite the fact they tried to block the whole thing, essentially off the hook
bohs - hooligans and animals
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