EL Investigation Committee Report

[higgins]

This is football, not polo. Bohs and Rovers have no case to answer in relation to the Shelbourne games.

What does the sport played have to do with the safety and behaviour of fans ?

[Buile Shuibhne]

The Match Delegate decides whats is offensive etc.

He is to be given more powers as a result of this process:

3) The Committee also belive that the practise of appointing match delegates and security personnel to League matches, especially high risk games, has been a welcome development but also that the remit of match delegates should be suitably strengthened and that clubs be informed that the individuals concerned have an unequivocal mandate from the League insofar as the control and management of games are concerned. In that regard, the Committee therefore recommend that in consultation with the Club Licensing Committee and the Association itself, the League should seek to introduce a suitable profile check list for delegates, for matches to which they are assigned, identifying all the relevant elements likely to arise in the match, under the umbrella of the rules of the League and Association and Club Licensing Regulations. The Committee also feel that all appointed match delegates should be convened for a suitable briefing session on issues in these areas prior to the commencement of each season.

[Schumi]

What does the sport played have to do with the safety and behaviour of fans ?

How does a banner endanger anyone?

[MariborKev]

The Match Delegate decides whats is offensive etc.

He is to be given more powers as a result of this process:

One might assume that ordinary fans will have the opportunity to complain to the match delegate on potential contentious situations then?

I am thinking about one match this season where opposition fans mimiced loyalists flute bands. On complaint to the stewards over this matter we were told to forget about it.

I am of the opinion that fan banter is part and parcel of the game.Given that one club has got another a large fine with regards a banner, complaints to match delegate with regards that club may increase substantially.

But hey, that if we ever get into the ground after the Department of Home League Security have their way...............

[bohsbitch]

The flare display in Dalymount was approved by the FAI match observor on the night. He did not find it dangerous or offensive.

What's the point in having these observors when their decisions do not count for anything?

[EnDai]

When you bypass the barrier, and are as such contained between the barriers that surrounds the perimter of the pitch, then yes it is essentially the same thing, whether grass or molten lava.

[Buile Shuibhne]

The flare display in Dalymount was approved by the FAI match observor on the night. He did not find it dangerous or offensive.

What's the point in having these observors when their decisions do not count for anything?

How do you know he approved it?

[Cosmo]

Keeping this short and sweet.

Fines over a banner - what a load of bo**ox !!!

What next? Fines for offensive songs been sung

[harpskid]

So basically in any ground where you stand on grass you are on the playing surface?

Well, when you cross the primiter wall/fence and are on the grass, then yes you are deemed to be on the field of play

[bohsbitch]

How do you know he approved it?

I was standing with the safety officer when he brought it to the delegate's attention. I don't remember his name off-hand but it is documented in the match records.

The fire-officer was also consulted and did not have a problem with it. He observed the display to ensure no spectators, players or officials were in danger.

[Vitruvian Man]

It looks to me that Shelbournes demands that Bohs install a players tunnel and close their bar nearest the dressing rooms do not form part of the 4 recomendations of the committee - so hard luck Fintan.

Is seems also that the standard FAI finding is being trotted out again. Clubs shoud pay for more stewards (isn't a Frontline Security director a member of the FAI?)

It also looks to me that the door is being left open for Bohs to continue their case against the disgraceful actions of Shelbourne officials and employees during that game.

"The Committee defer their findings on all other allegations, which have been made in relation to the conduct of some club officials and players pending substantive witness evidence in that regard."

It all depends now on the Bohs officials finding the backbone that was so obviously lacking when they were being shafted in the first place.

I also think Rovers have a good case for appeal.

[WeAreRovers]

I also think Rovers have a good case for appeal.

I would sincerely hope that a fan-owned club would appeal - especially against the fine for a banner. Otherwise we may throw our hat at it and let Ollie get on with destroying the league.

KOH

[wws]

DOES ANYONE else fell that this cack handed effort by the EL office to get tough has actually been counter productive????

I can see this having the reverse effect to that intended


THE EL OFFICE cannot police fans - thats the job of the police


the el office can cesure clubs/individuals - its failed to do so

[Jerry The Saint]

two hours before the matches as well as during and after the matches.

As was already pointed out !!

There is no time limit on how long he should be away from the pitch after the game. Thats why the new bans are worded differently........

Bullsh!t. I understand Fenlon watched the game from the TV gantry. How did he get there? Did he go there 2 hours before the game and sit tight until the game began?

[Drumcondra Red]

So basically in any ground where you stand on grass you are on the playing surface?

Yes, inside the advertising hordes is classed as the playing surface, which is why its blocked off to the public, I don't believe you're trying to argue this??? Just anything against Shelbourne thatguy, is it???

[Drumcondra Red]

Bullsh!t. I understand Fenlon watched the game from the TV gantry. How did he get there? Did he go there 2 hours before the game and sit tight until the game began?

No, but he neither went by the pitch or the changing rooms, there you go!

[Réiteoir]

Bullsh!t. I understand Fenlon watched the game from the TV gantry. How did he get there? Did he go there 2 hours before the game and sit tight until the game began?

Footage of Fenlon in the gantry during the game exists - the camera pans round to him as Bohs score the 2nd.

[EnDai]

He's allowed to be there, same as anyone else would be. As far as I am aware there is a clause in the rule you are allowed into the tv gantry even if it is less than 50m from the pitch. So by similar methods, Farrelly could sit up there if he got banned, etc.

[wws]

have to admit I'd forgotten totally about shelbournes exsistence until this fine bull,s,hit......maybe its a plot by "oily" to get them back in the news again?

[Dodge]

I reckon all clubs should get a banner with the following

“HEY FAI, FINE THIS YOU PACK OF ****ING *******!!!”

(And without censorship that reads f.u.cking w.a.nkers)

Lets see what happens

If people continue to get fined I’m going to get Shels fined for every game they unveil a “Champion” banner. Dunno how the rest of you feel but I find it sickeningly offensive

Oh and LOL @ sanctioned flares... F***ing pussies