Kerr / O'Neill / Other

[tetsujin1979]

Does he? Should Richard Dunne, Matt Holland, Kevin Kilbane, Clinton Morrison, and a half-fit Robbie Keane be part of our Best 11???

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[superfrank]

I think Martin would be a good appointment. I would really like to see him in the job but somehow I doubt he'd take it.

[Stuttgart88]

"And Paul - thanks for the grammar tip"

i wasnt actually trying to be pedantic like neilmcd, but i still dont understand? the sentence doesnt make any sense sorry...

What I was trying to say was that O'Neill was lauded for getting Celtic to the UEFA Cup Final (& rightly so). But if they hadn't flopped in Basle they wouldn't even have been in the UEFA Cup. Ironically floping in Basle was the making of O'Neill's biggest achievement but Kerr didn't have the benefit of any such second chance after he did the same.

[eirebhoy]

I think Martin would be a good appointment. I would really like to see him in the job but somehow I doubt he'd take it.

I doubt he'd take any international job as he doesn't suit it imo.

[paul_oshea]

aye ya you meant as in they got knocked out of CL, doh.....ya i mean i meant i was picking you up on the grammar!LOL

[thejollyrodger]

I was trying to make the point earlier that a new manager may not make the slighest bit of difference. It sounds like the solution to everything but it might be a worse solution

[Jerry The Saint]

Brian Kerr, like McCarthy before him, will only play his favourites in competitive games, regardless of who it's against.

As you well know, Richie Dunne and Ian Harte played against France after earlier being left out of several squads in a row. Why would Kerr do that if they were his "favourites"

[mypost]

As you well know, Richie Dunne and Ian Harte played against France after earlier being left out of several squads in a row. Why would Kerr do that if they were his "favourites"

And as you well know too, Ian Harte was brought on as sub, to fire Hail Mary's in the general direction of Gary Doherty. Yeah, that's really going to work, up against Gallas, Thuram, Vieira, and co. France asked BK a question when they took the lead. He panicked and reverted to (stereo)type in response, which got us absolutely nowhere.

Result: Ireland 0-1 France, and Ireland effectively out of the World Cup. Brian Kerr takes the responsibility for it, and the blame.

[NeilMcD]

Explain to me how Ireland are effectively out of the world cup. If we win our two games we could top the group (unlikely) or come 2nd, (likely). I have not seen you offer any solutions i.e. what players you would have played instead of the starting 11. What players you would have brought on when 1-0 down and what manager you would appoint instead of Brian Kerr. Also what effect woudl sacking the manager now have on the squad for the last 2 games. It is easy to critisise but it it is harder to offer up solutions.

[geysir]

AFAIC Kerr has the job until the end of the WCQ games. Imo he had a good 80 minutes against France, considering that 4 of the players were not firing on all cylinders. I would expect that Kerr over the next 2/4 games should be able to get though to the players his winning gameplan, if not, then there has to be a change, you can't moan about EPL coaching deficiencies forever.
Its total speculation about MON being a candidate. Whatever role he had at Celtic (manager) his imprint was everywhere. I think given the job he would assemble an effective backroom team.
To balance Eirebhoy's quotes from a disaffected player, (I accept no responsibility) Juninho,
I like this particular extract on MON.
"One quality he has above a lot of other people is that he knows the character of people. He knows how to get the best out of them" Ryan goes on to say "His motivation skills were brilliant; you'd want to tear the dressing room door off to get on to the pitch. He would make you feel like a great player even when you knew you weren't."

Take away his last year when for obvious reasons he was not at the races.
Consider his comments when he departed celtic pk " it is not the end of an era, rather the beginning of a new one". MON, the prophet

[Roverstillidie]

MON will not take the Irish, or any job, for the forseeable future. He left Celtic for a reason, to spend time with his terminally ill wife.
Celtic offered him a blank cheque to stay, a host of English Prem teams have sounded him out. Their budgets are light years ahead of anything the failure could offer. He is out of the game for the medium term, end of. And even if he was looking to get back into football, why on earth would he take the Irish job?
People need to get real.
We are a small national side with a very limited panel of aging players who have massivly overperformed for a number of years.
Losing by one goal to the French and people are calling for Kerr's head? His goal was to qualify out of a tough group and thats still a viable target. Do people expect samba soccer from the likes of Morrison, Holland and the Doc?
The mind boggles when you think of some peoples expectations of that group of players

[wws]

MON will not take the Irish, or any job, for the forseeable future. He left Celtic for a reason, to spend time with his terminally ill wife.
Celtic offered him a blank cheque to stay, a host of English Prem teams have sounded him out. Their budgets are light years ahead of anything the failure could offer. He is out of the game for the medium term, end of. And even if he was looking to get back into football, why on earth would he take the Irish job?
People need to get real.
We are a small national side with a very limited panel of aging players who have massivly overperformed for a number of years.
Losing by one goal to the French and people are calling for Kerr's head? His goal was to qualify out of a tough group and thats still a viable target. Do people expect samba soccer from the likes of Morrison, Holland and the Doc?
The mind boggles when you think of some peoples expectations of that group of players

spot on, ridiculous over estimation of teh national team in recent years - we are in downward spiral with no decent talent coming through, these things go in cycles we're still in with a shout and thats as best as we could hope for. The home draw with Israel was Kerrs only atrocious result in this group - and that was only in the context of the game itself - in the context of the group Israel have jammed points from everyone else too.

[geysir]

As I wrote, its total speculation. If he wanted it, he's good enough imo. I just found it hard to believe Juninho's wailing.

[FarBeag]

Lads.Give the man a chance.He took over from Macarthy when the Irish team was in turmoil and this is his first opportunity to prove himself.Granted he has made mistakes particulary against Israel on both occasions but we all make
mistakes and some of us learn from them so lets hope Kerr does.

We have at least two more games to play,posibily the playoffs and even the world cup so wait until then and judge him on the next few games.If he continues to make the same errors well! thats another story.One more point. Kerr is not all to blame, some of the players also have take their own fair share of responsibility so hopefully they will buck up their ideas too and maybe we are in for happier days.

[geysir]

We are a small national side with a very limited panel of aging players who have massivly overperformed for a number of years. Losing by one goal to the French and people are calling for Kerr's head? His goal was to qualify out of a tough group and thats still a viable target. Do people expect samba soccer from the likes of Morrison, Holland and the Doc? The mind boggles when you think of some peoples expectations of that group of players

Where exactly have the team been massivly overperforming for a number of years?

[oconghc2]

all this talk of "O'Neill"......

I thought maybe Keith was throwing his hat in the ring now he's not playing anymore!!

[Roverstillidie]

Where exactly have the team been massivly overperforming for a number of years?

3 world cups. and i should really have said overachieving.