Heimir Hallgr�msson

**Jolly Red Giant** · 16/07/2024, 9:59 AM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Going after O'Shea with such zeal seems a bit odd to me. It seems like HH is trying to appease the FAI rather than being his own man trying to bring in his own ideas and methods.

Running with the hares and hunting with the hounds - just like he did with the Jamaican FA over Greenwood.

**Razors left peg** · 16/07/2024, 10:12 AM

There's a little bit too much appeasement of the FAI and PR nonsense for my liking so far. The LOI international thing is pointless. Any good young player in the league is already in Ireland underage squads and there's not a single player 22 and up who are in the top 50 options for squad selection.
The story yesterday about HH driving to Waterford to get JOS on board is a load of b0ll0cks too. JOS is not in a position where HH should be going cap in hand to him, it should be the other way around if JOS wants to be involved. It smacks of trying to keep the ex player pundits happy who were calling for JOS to get the job and also the idiot social media brigade who wanted JOS "cos there was no one else".
I'm all for having Irish lads involved in the coaching set up but there are others much more qualified. Stephen Reid would be interesting, Barry Murphy another. Lads who have actual coaching experience.

Ultimately HH will be judged by what happens on the pitch and he does come across as a good guy but I hope we move on from this JOS story ASAP

**JR89** · 16/07/2024, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Eirambler

What I'm taking (hoping) from this is that Hallgrimsson is a very hands on international manager that organises everything from training to tactics to opposition analysis himself and the coaches are basically just support to carry out his prescribed requirements rather than taking a lead themselves. So a job that nearly any certified football coach could do.

Pretty much the complete opposite of the Martin O'Neill approach (leave everything to the coaches, then rock up an hour before the game and announce the team and formation).

Which he probably did at Jamaica given his assistant was also the Jamaican U20s manager for a period of time and head of talent identification. So his duties were spread far beyond just working with the senior team.

**JR89** · 16/07/2024, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by Razors left peg

There's a little bit too much appeasement of the FAI and PR nonsense for my liking so far. The LOI international thing is pointless. Any good young player in the league is already in Ireland underage squads and there's not a single player 22 and up who are in the top 50 options for squad selection.
The story yesterday about HH driving to Waterford to get JOS on board is a load of b0ll0cks too. JOS is not in a position where HH should be going cap in hand to him, it should be the other way around if JOS wants to be involved. It smacks of trying to keep the ex player pundits happy who were calling for JOS to get the job and also the idiot social media brigade who wanted JOS "cos there was no one else".
I'm all for having Irish lads involved in the coaching set up but there are others much more qualified. Stephen Reid would be interesting, Barry Murphy another. Lads who have actual coaching experience.

Ultimately HH will be judged by what happens on the pitch and he does come across as a good guy but I hope we move on from this JOS story ASAP

And if these roles were reversed lads would still be moaning that John O'Shea was trying to worm his way into a job.

Hallgrimsson now lives in Ireland and has said he wants to travel about abit. So don't see an issue with him wanting to talk with O'Shea face to face by going to Waterford. Likely left Waterford yesterday and then travelled to Cork for the match tonight.

**Razors left peg** · 16/07/2024, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by JR89

And if these roles were reversed lads would still be moaning that John O'Shea was trying to worm his way into a job.

Hallgrimsson now lives in Ireland and has said he wants to travel about abit. So don't see an issue with him wanting to talk with O'Shea face to face by going to Waterford. Likely left Waterford yesterday and then travelled to Cork for the match tonight.

O'Shea traveling up to FAI HQ if he wants a job would be the normal way to do things no? HH going to him puts O'Shea in a position of power that he doesn't deserve

**Diggs246** · 16/07/2024, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Razors left peg

O'Shea traveling up to FAI HQ if he wants a job would be the normal way to do things no? HH going to him puts O'Shea in a position of power that he doesn't deserve

I would guess HH is trying to lessen the "humiliation" of OShea who was favourite for the job a week ago. I think OShea is a good choice as number 2. Everyone loves him. He can be the conduit from the players to the manager. Even media duties
I really hope HH is given the euros ( assuming it's not a car crash)

**seanfhear** · 16/07/2024, 12:11 PM

If only we had waited ~ ~ We could have had Gareth Southgate (wink)

**Razors left peg** · 16/07/2024, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Diggs246

I would guess HH is trying to lessen the "humiliation" of OShea who was favourite for the job a week ago. I think OShea is a good choice as number 2. Everyone loves him. He can be the conduit from the players to the manager. Even media duties
I really hope HH is given the euros ( assuming it's not a car crash)

Who is everyone? I don't know a single Ireland fan personally who thinks he's even a reasonably good coach. His buddies in the media are irrelevant

**JR89** · 16/07/2024, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Diggs246

I really hope HH is given the euros ( assuming it's not a car crash)

The short term contract imo is probably just HH looking after himself. Not tying himself down and gives him some wiggle room when it comes to renegotiations 16 months. He does a good job and it might open up other opportunities for him.

**osarusan** · 16/07/2024, 12:52 PM

A bit bizarre for Hallgrimsson to be laying the path for a successor.

He's only in the job 5 minutes, and his exit is on his mind.

**SkStu** · 16/07/2024, 1:07 PM

Originally Posted by seanfhear

If only we had waited ~ ~ We could have had Gareth Southgate (w@nk)

Fixed that for you.

**Acornvilla** · 16/07/2024, 1:20 PM

Originally Posted by osarusan

A bit bizarre for Hallgrimsson to be laying the path for a successor.

He's only in the job 5 minutes, and his exit is on his mind.

I feel like he's eager to impress everyone and tell them what they want to hear, but doesn't actually know for sure what anyone want's to hear, so is just saying stuff and hoping for the best. I just think he probably needed a bit more time to get his head around the job before he was announced and doing press. Pretty whirlwind turnaround from managing in the Copa to press in Ireland just over a week later.

**seanfhear** · 16/07/2024, 1:25 PM

Originally Posted by SkStu

Fixed that for you.

**Eminence Grise** · 16/07/2024, 2:12 PM

I'm inclined to think of Frank Underwood offering Will Conway a lowly position in his administration when he'd beaten him for the presidency in House of Cards... Offer made, timing not right, mutual admiration and best wishes all round etc etc

**Diggs246** · 16/07/2024, 2:56 PM

Originally Posted by Diggs246

I would guess HH is trying to lessen the "humiliation" of OShea who was favourite for the job a week ago. I think OShea is a good choice as number 2. Everyone loves him. He can be the conduit from the players to the manager. Even media duties
I really hope HH is given the euros ( assuming it's not a car crash)

Sorry stop stop stop!!!
I meant as a person and as a player
Under no circumstances should he be a coach
I'm assuming HH will be completely in charge of that.

**Razors left peg** · 16/07/2024, 5:10 PM

So HH met JOS yesterday to get down on bended knee. JOS was made aware last week that he was wanted, how much time is his highness going to need to decide if he dain to grace us with his presence? He's like a lad on the dole wondering if its worth his while doing a bit of work for not much more cash than he gets doing nothing... maybe we'll get an interim assistant manager to give him the time he needs to decide

**CraftyToePoke** · 16/07/2024, 5:55 PM

Originally Posted by Razors left peg

So HH met JOS yesterday to get down on bended knee. JOS was made aware last week that he was wanted, how much time is his highness going to need to decide if he dain to grace us with his presence? He's like a lad on the dole wondering if its worth his while doing a bit of work for not much more cash than he gets doing nothing... maybe we'll get an interim assistant manager to give him the time he needs to decide

O'Shea probably wants some contractual succession plan assurances and maybe time lines on that too. He's dead right if he can get them. HH already said he'd be the man taking over, bizarrely, so its just putting flesh on that really.

**Eirambler** · 16/07/2024, 6:28 PM

He should get nothing of the sort. For all we know HH could do a Charlton and be there for 10 years.

**Razors left peg** · 16/07/2024, 7:28 PM

Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke

O'Shea probably wants some contractual succession plan assurances and maybe time lines on that too. He's dead right if he can get them. HH already said he'd be the man taking over, bizarrely, so its not just putting flesh on that really.

If the FAI give him that sort of guarantee in writing I vote that we storm Abbottstown