Ok so he's giving up intl. football now on the basis that he doesn't think he will be up to it in 5 years time. Maybe this was one of those times when it made more sense in his head.
Great player or not before his operation his attitude has always been up his ar*e. What's worse in recent years he has become a poisonous little wa*ker.
Carr looks like a miserable bol*x when playing for Ireland in recent years with his performances also being of a similar vein.
We don't want or need players who don't want to play for their country or who won't give it 100%. Carr is gulty on both counts. Good riddance to him.
who is this kelly lad i haven heard of him and who he playin with
Let's not forget the away match to Russia where we collapsed to lose 4-2....If a clown was on the pitch he would have done better than Finnan. But I suppose we shouldn't judge him on one game! What I'm really trying to say is that if Finnan is either injured/suspended/in bad form then we're really stuck. Finnan and Carr both got on the Premiership XI of the season at various stages and IMO Carr was potentially a world class player before he moved to Newcastle. Maybe a bigger move would have been better and he is p!ssed off with football in general seeing he's on the losing side more often than he would like at the Toon? Maybe O'Shea's best position is right back ( and before you all start knocking him let's remember that we have f*ck all players now, so we have to support the remnants of the Ireland team as they are ).Originally Posted by thejollyrodger
Personally I'm dissapointed Carr's 'retired' ( deserted? ) and it's a bit much for him to tell everyone to back Kerr and then abandon the ship himself!!!
Best comment I've read about Carr here, just shows how little interest he has in playing for Ireland. Its such a contrast with Ryan Giggs who you have to admire for his dedication to the Welsh cause and his desire to represent Wales at a major tournament, and you can bet Ferguson has been piling the pressure on Giggs to call it quits.
I bet Giggs retires this week!!!
"In life, it aint about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit, and keep on moving forward"
Rocky Balboa
Hopefully O'Shea, Kilbane, Connolly and Doherty will follow Carr's lead and also announce their retirement soon to give some of the younger players a chance. Kerr should also do the decent thing and retire to give a better manager a chance.
Some right rubbish in this thread!! I would have Finnan ahead of Carr on the basis that Steve has lost the pace that set him apart as a great full back. I believe that Steve knows this and isn't going to have himself exposed to ridicule in an Irish jersey. Against the Swiss, he was rounded by a centre-half and was left for dead for pace!!!
Guy played 39 times for Ireland - wish he wasn't going but so be it
John O'Shea is a quality footballer whose confidence has been seriously undermined by playing out of position, not getting his place in his club team etc. Very disappointed to see him signing a new contract with MUFC - Should have gone to a club where he can hold down a regular spot and build his confidence. Kilbane is in the same boat - doesn't take a genius to work out his confidence is rock bottom and he is NOT a winger
Connolly should get a couple of runs in friendlies, God knows we are short of talent up front and he is getting goals in the Premiership
Doherty - once again a guy who gives his all for the jersey
On Kilbane, what is he then?
On Doherty, excellent, but he's still sh*t.
Carr going is no loss. Lost his pace 3 years ago but was a good servant for Ireland and wish him the best. Finnan will step in. O'Brien who had an excellent game the weekend will step in for Cunningham. Elliot looks better each game and if he can keep up a good level of scoring goals will be a huge benefit for Ireland. Again Stephen Ireland has real possibilities. Great passing ability and a toughnut for his size. If we can get 1 or 2 other good players into the squad I believe the next manager whoever that is can get us to the euro's. The seeding dosen't really mean a lot. It depends on the direction the teams we get in our group are going forwards or backwards.
I don't understand this "retiring from International football" nonsense. If you were 50 years old & the National team manager asked you to pull on a green shirt you should jump at the chance. It should be up to the manager to decide who plays and anyone with Irish blood should be available for selection. I'm sure anyone here would give their right arm to play for their country. Carr's (and Cunnninghams & Keane's) attitude sickens me. I'll bet Shay Given never "retires" from International football. Playing for his country actually means something to the likes of him.
FcUk off Carr you lazy ***** ......
Not a centre midfielder either. Left back?
Have to agree -he's been completely under used and always works his socks off, not like the whinger Robbie or Duff the diver. I have to say that Duff only makes a significant impact in one in every 3 games for Ireland at best, his best position is probably between midfield and attack in a free role so he can't be marked out of the game. I'd seriously give Harte a few games on the left wing as he could get crosses into the box all day and would be fantastic getting a header in at the back post with crosses from the right. Now is the time to experiment with these things.
So would I and most other fans, he's still the worst touch I've seen from ANY Irish international. Jason Byrne would be much better ( why not give Byrne 4/5 full games and then say he is good enough or not, rather than 30 seconds at the end of a solitary friendly ).
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So a mad stampede to jump on the carcass of Carrīs international career. I thought it was to our advantage that we had an an ex Attica convict lookalike shoring up the defense. How do you imagine S. Kelly is going to scare some attacker, drown him in hair gel after a shake of the head? Of course he has lost much of his game in the last few years, before he was injured he did well, especially against Figo, after the injury he was badly missed not least when Gary Kelly had to replace him against Holland. He doesn't look like a bull5hitter to me maybe he knows he hasnīt got much left to offer, unlike some players. Even with what little he has got at present he was still able to keep a meek Steve Finnan out of the team.
The best news to come out of the non-qualification in my opinion. Carr has looked a pale image of the player who was continually vaunted as the best full-back in the Premiership not so long ago. To use his cruciate injury as an excuse for, what looked like, a lack of enthusiasm in the green shirt doesn't wash; other players like Alan Shearer and Roy Keane have come back as strong from similar injuries and nobody ever used it as a get out clause for them. Carr's weaknesses are probably in his head more so, hence the early retirement. People always seem to notice Robbie Keane's antics when things don't go his way, but Carr is of a similar breed of arm-waving and petulant footballer. It shouldn't be long until he's taking a back seat at Newcastle aswell with the emergence of Stephen Taylor.
During the qualification campaign Carr, along with John O' S hit, gave many people more cause for dishing out abuse at an Irish player than any others. This, if nothing else, is in indication of how he has slipped in the estimation of lots of Irish fans. Steve Finnan should now get the extended run he rightfully deserves and I don't think many are sorry that Carr's retirement will facilitate this.
Mens sana in corpore sano
Have to agree with you Joe. Some contrast between Carr and Niall Quinn. Quinny returned from a cruciate on both legs. His courage and commitment to the Irish cause puts Carr's retirement at 29 into context.
I just hope we haven't left it too late with Steve Finnan. I'm half-expecting him to retire also. He was treated very poorly by Kerr. Since when did we have the luxury of leaving a Champions League winner on the bench?
"Love many, trust few, always paddle your own canoe." Dillo
The difference between Carr and Shearer, Keane and the rest is they didn't rely on their pace as much as Carr did.
Over THIS wc qual. campaign, neither of the two players mentioned, Finnan and Carr, distiguished themselves. Apart from the attempts to mindread Carr´s intentions with his decision to retire is there any evidence to support that Finnan put in any more effort or commitment than Carr? I did not see that Finnan brought much more to the team than Carr did in the qual. games, imo. Finnan (a classy player) is one of the players on the team who went off the boil during this qualification campaign. Indeed it could be argued that Finnan demonstrated less effort and commitment against Cyprus than any other player, was substituted and subsequently lost his place in the last game.
Yes having stupidly been picked on the right wing
Agree that Carr is a disgrace to quit, how many of us on our deathbeds would jump at the chance to pull on the green jersey for the 30 seconds that Jason Byrne got?
Weak sauce, Carr.
RE: Finnan starting on the right against Cyprus..
..picking a defensive minded player in rightside midfield position in an away WCQ is hardly a stupid decision...imho
"You call that a first touch?"
Retiring from playing football for your country at the age of 29. You, Stephen Carr, are an idiot of the highest order.
Yeah, he has'nt been the Stephen Carr of old since the surgery. Unquestionably he's still good enough (performance wise) to be at least a squad member. But in his undoubted wisdom, concentrating on playing for a dead end mid table Premiership team is the height of his ambitions.
I grew up watching Kevin Moran putting his head in where many would'nt venture with a pick axe, John Aldridge closing down the opposing defender as if his life depended on it, Packie Bonner with that grimace of intent before booting the ball towards Niall Quinn (another loyal servant) at Italia '90 against the Dutch. Players who made themselves available for selection right up to the end of their club careers.
Retiring at 29 to focus on playing for a mediocre English club side. Man, I just can't fathom it. I can only summarise my opinion on the matter with a rant.
Stephen Carr, Go fook yourself you arrogant fook!! And go say 'howay to the lads' if you see them you sad excuse for an Irishman.
Last edited by skbio_toronto; 20/10/2005 at 7:50 PM.
So Staunton is going to ask players to reconsider their International retirements.
Would you bother asking Stephen Carr to come out of International retirement?
I wouldn't waste my breath.
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