No excuse!

**fbtn** · 12/09/2005, 11:30 PM

Haven't a clue.

Don't think the lad from the Brandywell incident is permanent. Life long fan, once off incident and all that but the second bloke punched our eminent event controller a few times so I'd guess his is.

**Cosmo** · 13/09/2005, 8:09 AM

Originally Posted by Colm

If you were to apply that to the letter of the law though then surely both you and I would be banned by now Eanna!!
I mean often the way a lot of us behave at football matches would be considered threatening behaviour in normal walks of life. Things like hanging over a wall abusing a player or a linesman or lighting flare could be considered violent.
I'd just be interested as to where you draw the line and how any ban would actually stand up in court if it were to be challenged.

I'll give ye a distiction. If ye roar abuse at someone youre alright. If you give someone a slap ye should be banned

**Colm** · 13/09/2005, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by �anna

dublin bias.....mumble mumble......paranoia......shelbourne fc.......waistcoat....rebel army.....aaaaarrrrgggghhhh

Get over it Eanna!!

**WeAreRovers** · 13/09/2005, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by fbtn

Not being smart WAR and Colin, but why are you against bans?

I'm not against bans per se but there are loads of reasons why you have to be very very careful.

Two that spring to mind immediately are - banning without a conviction is both morally and legally dodgy (as Rovers are about to find out) plus if you want to create martyrs and heroes for the gobsh�tes then banning orders are the best way.

KOH

**EnDai** · 13/09/2005, 11:58 AM

Besides, how are you meant to distinguish one skinhead in jeans and a sellthick jersey with a Dublin accent so harsh it sounds fake, from another? It just won't work at Rovers!

**fbtn** · 13/09/2005, 7:20 PM

Originally Posted by WeAreRovers

I'm not against bans per se but there are loads of reasons why you have to be very very careful.

Two that spring to mind immediately are - banning without a conviction is both morally and legally dodgy (as Rovers are about to find out) plus if you want to create martyrs and heroes for the gobsh�tes then banning orders are the best way.

KOH

But surely 'the management reserve the right to refuse' like nightclubs and bars. Hit someone in a bar or a club and normally your barred right away without ever being convicted.

I agree re:martyrs and hereos but I think your better off without these morons in the ground full stop - regardless what kind of pedastal they are then put on by their hardmen friends.

I've been to nearly every single ground in the League of Ireland and believe me, the Dublin clubs have no monopoly on guys looking for trouble. Every club has a few knobends and we're all better off without them.

**Roverstillidie** · 13/09/2005, 8:51 PM

Originally Posted by EnDai

Besides, how are you meant to distinguish one skinhead in jeans and a sellthick jersey with a Dublin accent so harsh it sounds fake, from another? It just won't work at Rovers!

you shles people really do mix your hoops up when its convenient dont you!

how are you meant to distinguish between one 17 year old pimply hooligan wannabe and another? it just wouldnt work at hellbourne, would it!

**Drumcondra Red** · 13/09/2005, 9:28 PM

Hellbourne, I see what you did there, funny man!!!

**�anna** · 13/09/2005, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by Colm

Get over it Eanna!!

joke.....funny....haha

I knew someone would bite

**Drumcondra Red** · 13/09/2005, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by �anna

joke.....funny....haha

I knew someone would bite

Didn't think it'd be one of your own though, did you???

**�anna** · 13/09/2005, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by Drumcondra Red

Didn't think it'd be one of your own though, did you???

oh but i did. I knew he would

**Dodge** · 14/09/2005, 8:17 AM

I think you're missing an EASY! chant there Eanna....

**EnDai** · 14/09/2005, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

you shles people really do mix your hoops up when its convenient dont you!

how are you meant to distinguish between one 17 year old pimply hooligan wannabe and another? it just wouldnt work at hellbourne, would it!

Not meeting any of those features personally, I wouldn't know!

**Macy** · 14/09/2005, 11:12 AM

I also think it's dodgy ground when there's no conviction. Well actually usually no arrest even.

However, I have more problems with life time bans tbh. Giving people a 3 year ban for say

hitting a lino, is fair enough. Second offence throw the book (

) at them.

Ultimately the problem comes back to policing imo. Incapable of having the cop on to stop trouble, and then can't be arsed with the paperwork of actually arresting people if there is trouble.

The implications of bans being overturned by courts could be wide ranging and basically give hoolies free reign. It could be interesting how that develops....

**WeAreRovers** · 14/09/2005, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Macy

I also think it's dodgy ground when there's no conviction. Well actually usually no arrest even.

However, I have more problems with life time bans tbh. Giving people a 3 year ban for say

hitting a lino, is fair enough. Second offence throw the book (

) at them.

Ultimately the problem comes back to policing imo. Incapable of having the cop on to stop trouble, and then can't be arsed with the paperwork of actually arresting people if there is trouble.

The implications of bans being overturned by courts could be wide ranging and basically give hoolies free reign. It could be interesting how that develops....

That'd be my position too, m'lud. And on that subject there was a meeting yesterday AFAIK about the very same topic. The cops, the clubs and the league/FAI were there (actually one club didn't bother showing up, guess which one?)

The cops plus Rovers, Bohs and Cork wanted a national register of banned individuals and to set it up along the correct lines as Macy suggests. The FAI and the League said no. Typical head in the sand nonsense.

Whatever about the rights and wrongs of such a register isn't it ironic that the 3 clubs with a perceived problem wanted to act and the one club that does the most bleating didn't even show up?

KOH

**Drumcondra Red** · 14/09/2005, 12:23 PM

That a dig at us, son??? Jftr Ollie was at a security meeting in Tallaght on Monday afternoon...

**Macy** · 14/09/2005, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Drumcondra Red

That a dig at us, son??? Jftr Ollie was at a security meeting in Tallaght on Monday afternoon...

What about Tuesday when these clubs had a meeting with the cops?

**BohDiddley** · 14/09/2005, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by EnDai

Besides, how are you meant to distinguish one skinhead in jeans and a sellthick jersey with a Dublin accent so harsh it sounds fake, from another? It just won't work at Rovers!

Dublin accent bashing from a Dublin EL fan? That's a first!
I think you should make it official: get Ollie to declare that if you have a Dublin accent you should take your business elsewhere. In view of Shelbourne FC's influence with the legal and other professional classes, as evidenced in recent decisions from football officialdom, and mindful of its roots in Ballsbridge, only those who pass the new accent test should get through the turnstiles. Maybe they should wear suits too.

**WeAreRovers** · 14/09/2005, 1:23 PM

Originally Posted by Drumcondra Red

That a dig at us, son??? Jftr Ollie was at a security meeting in Tallaght on Monday afternoon...

Not talking about the meeting on Monday. And don't call me son. I'm pretty p�ssed off today and you ain't helping. I'm rapidly getting to the stage where your poxy club, your thug of a CEO and your wanabee fans are more of an irritant than Bohs.

There was a meeting yesterday attended by every club in the league except Shels. Ironic that it was on the same day as that whitewash of a report was issued. Shels are the one club not serious about crowd control/safety and the behaviour of playing staff and management.

Your hypocrisy and contempt for Irish football sicken me.

KOH