QuoteAnd they all lived happily ever afterOriginally Posted by Troy.McClure
Ya, basically something like that would be a good idea I recon.
As I say, we're just young & a bit nieve.
And they all lived happily ever after
Except the Drogs PRO
As I say, we're just young & a bit nieve.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think Ollie Byrne is being treated badly here. he deserves a punishment, a massive one in fact, but to go from warning someone about their conduct to hitting them with such a massive (by eL standards) fine is stupid IMO. There should be some sort of scale to this- what happens if he does something else- does he get an even bigger fine? Each incident should be treated separately to some extent- obviously you have to take previous behaviour into account, but the punishment should not be an accumulated one, which I think this is.
As for the ban- he certainly deserves that.
have you been living in a cave for the last 6 months?
it made us oust an incompitent board, undergo an examinership process, settle in full our tax liabilities, sort the stadium situation, run the club professionally on a budget. and get 13 out of a possible 15 points since the takeover. and qualify for the cup quarter finals.
whereas oily assaults 2 officials of other clubs, attacks or tries to attack fans all over the country, rips opposition fans flags etc etc (and thats just this season) and the shels fans whine conspiracy.
we took our punishment and made sure the situation couldnt ever happen again. you see it as some form of badge of honour.
do we really have to let him into dalymount tonight?
[QUOTE=Éanna] There should be some sort of scale to this- what happens if he does something else- does he get an even bigger fine? [QUOTE]
I see what you're saying, but the fact is that Oily has had this coming to him and there seems to have been an attitude on his part that he could do what he likes and get away with it because the authorities didn't have the bottle to bring sanctions against him. The whole idea behind the severity of this fine is to MAKE SURE he never does anything like this again. At least now we all know he hasn't been warned!
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To the Rovers guy first,
You simply ran out of money is the reason why the big change in rovers came about. The points deduction alone didn't make people ask questions!! you knew exactly what was going on well before that.
Also the bit where you say you made sure a situation like that could never happen again ??? Bullsh!t.... There is nothing stopping the current lads who run rovers over spending and ending up in the same position again in a few years time.
On Ollie,,,
Take his punishment like a man ??
I take it you were not even at the game in question and didn't see anything of what happened? If you were accused of something in the wrong would you "take it like a man"If you did you would be taking it like a child not a man! Imagine yourself banned for a month from seeing your team and having to pay 2,000 after a proven liar (did he write press release the following day?) makes accusations against you. I'd fully back Ollie having seen the bits I did AT THE GAME, not in a forum.
What has happened here is wrong and at least Eanna has the good sense to see it. He did not get dealt with fairly over this issue.
To Fenlon,,,
The 4 game ban is as a result of his previous red cards! you want points deduction tooAgain if you where at the game you would have seen what he did. He deserved a red card for acting like a 6 year old who dropped their lolly pop but there was nothing major that went on. He got a red card as do many managers in the league. The fact it wasn't his first made the ban increase to 4 games. A points deduction would open the floodgates to future incidents. The papers and the 'know it alls' who didn't even attend the game made a meal of it.
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not the point higgins. how many times did rovers get their paperwork wrong. once. huge changes followed.
how many times have oily/fenlon/collins been warned by the el/fai? dozens of times. what changes? f uck all, they do it again and again because its the culture the shelbourne fans allow at their club.
i have never come across fans as brainwashed as shelbourne's. they will defend oily et al regardless of what the bully boy thug does. so he keeps going on doing it.
he got involved physically with two officials of other clubs in less than 3 weeks. someone has to call a halt. imagine he did that in europe (shels might qualify again who knows)? what right has he got to tackle anyone on the pitch, regardless of whether they sould be on it or not, especially someone he knows to be on the board of the club that just beat you.
"you knew exactly what was going on well before that."
yes we did, but we didnt own the club, we did thell the licencing committe all about it but thanks to ressure from bullys liek Ollie the licencing commitgtee is pretty damned useless and ignored our submission.... bet ya Shels wouldn't like their tax affairs investigated!!!
I can't believe that poor behaviour that has already been punished is being compared to basically cheating to acheive survival, running up insane amounts of debt and leaving many creditors severely out of pocket, and hiring Shoddy Collins as manager!
The punishment has been dealt, points deductions would be insane, and wrong. Fines and bans are the right punishments for this behaviour, perhaps the bans should be longer but thats not down to us to decide.
Perhaps if FIFA/UEFA start taking similar sorts of action against big name overseas managers in this manner, we could consider it, but handing out point deductions for red cards is nonsense and down to sheer hatred rather than the actions. When it happens again, they get banned again, simple as.
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Gareth Farrelly had a similar - 50m from the pitch / dressing rooms 2 hours before +1 hour after ban - last week, but I think I read on Gypoweb that he sat in the Jodi Stand for thr Bohs Vs Rovers game. There was talk of Bobby Best taking a photo of him?
Wrong? You forgot the "deliberately" in the first question, it was not a mistake. It was thought out and implemented by those in charge. Admittedly they are now gone, but at the time they represented Shamrock Rovers FC, and as a result Shamrock Rovers were punished.
You'll find many Shelbourne fans don't agree with his actions, but in this particular instance many (who btw, witnessed the bloody incident, unlike most here) beleive his innocence, on this single charge. Noone's defending any previous incidents from what I can see. And sorry to say it, but Drogheda's fans word doesn't count for much to me on the incident after the "incorrect" press statement that video evidence showed was false. But hey, beleive what you want, but next time you want to brandish certain sets of supporters "brainwashed" try to look at everything as a whole rather than any biased views you may have.
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i agree on the 50m nonsense. who is and how is that to be enforced?
endai, persistant, repeat offending of any offence can ultimatly lead to a point deduction. warnings and small fines were laughed at. if a record fine doesnt sort oily out, then he will have to be hit harder.
he is not the victim in all this, regardless of the briogaid dearg cheerleaders bleatings
In this "incident" he may very well be innocent.
Overall I believe he needs punishment, and he has received a huge fine, only time will tell. However the suspended points deduction idea seems to make sense, but thats not down to us to decide now is it?
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I think a points deduction would certainly be wrong in this case, but If Fenlon, Collins and Byrne continue to act as they have been all season(s!) despite receiving Red Cards, touchline bans and heavy fines then it gets to the stage where the FAI should punish the club as a whole rather than an individual.
These three have repeatedly been warned as to their future conduct, and now severly warned as to their future conduct, there comes a point when Shelbourne FC (including the fans) as a whole is going to have take responsibility for their turning a blind eye to this.
I have a lot of time for the vast majority of Shels fans that I've met, but it constantly surprises me how blind they are to the damage these three men, (on the field Collins in particular) are currently doing to their club.
They're certainly not attracting sponsorship or new fans.
Not that anyone will listen to me, but Ollie should be removed as CEO, his talents shouldn't be lost to the club, but as we get more professional you need a slicker, more PR friendly face at the club (something I know all about as CCFC don't have a PRO either which I think hurts us very badly). Retain him, but stop giving him free rein.
Collins should get the sack immediately, it would take his shadow off Fenlon's shoulder and Nutsy could get back to being the sole influence on that team, while your results might not improve immediately, your standard of football and on-field discipline certainly would.
Fenlon is probably your clubs best asset at the moment, can't believe some of you want shot of him.
Cue: Shels fan's attacking me
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Noones going to attack you tiktok, (we don't know where you live!
Perhaps it will take a serious serious penalty imposed to hit home for them.
Nutsy is God, no more to be said on that front! At least you agree!
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Shels fan in points deduction for off field activity is wrong shocker!!!!!!
Pity Oily didn't think so a few years ago when Shels had something to benefit from it....
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
Tittok - Damn right we’ll attack you, you did, after all write, an article entitled “Ollie Byrne Football Hooligan” did you not?
As for my opinion, I would think it would be great if Ollie past on the reigns to somebody with a bit more professional experience of working in the modern business world.
A lot of people slag off Shels for our small support, but I firmly believe that Shelbourne have the ability to become the biggest club in Dublin if marketed properly. We have lodged ourselves in the minds of non-EL football fans over the last few years with our performances on the field, both domestically and in Europe.
Even football fans who don’t follow the league, can probably name a few Shelbourne players, but we have never really been able to tap into this fact and get people to games or attract commercial investment.
I just don’t think Ollie has the ability to direct Shels to the next level, I think, to coin an old cliche, he has “taken the club as far he can.”
However, Shelbourne are what they are today because of Ollie Byrne, he deserves to be the one to make the decision about his own future.
Other fans can claim we have been “brain-washed” and are blind to his behaviour, but if we went the opposite route and started calling for his head their would be another group of people calling us I
ungrateful b*stards.
Comparing Ollie to the clowns who ran Rovers almost into the ground is particularly ludicrous.
Ollie is someone who saved a club and built it up from dust, not someone who destroyed one. Dare I say it, but the 400 club could learn a lot from him.
As I said before though, I think it is time for somebody else to take charge, Ollie could still attend every game and cheer the team on, and would forever be a hero at Tolka.
I can’t see this happening, but don’t except Shels fans to start calling for his head either, we’ve had far too many great days since Ollie took over to do that, we owe the man too much.
I'm hoping that's tongue in cheek
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You're joking, right?
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