Attendances 2024

ForzaForth has it listed as around 360 on the Wexford forum here. Never usually too far off as well.

Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

St Pats v Shels - 4,811
Shamrock Rovers v Derry City - 4,031

Monday night and all that, but disappointing enough crowd at Tallaght, which in itself is a bit mental.

What people forget is that we only were averageing 3k before we started winning stuff in 2020.
Half our fans arent happy unless we are top of the league and vote with their feet.
If we dont win the league this year our average gate will fall dramtically. kids want to be entertained and watchig a team struggle (in relative terms) isnt as much fun as turning up to watch am exhibition.
i title from 1986 to 2009 it doesnt take the auld lads happy but the new crowd are different

Originally Posted by sbgawa

What people forget is that we only were averageing 3k before we started winning stuff in 2020.
Half our fans arent happy unless we are top of the league and vote with their feet.
If we dont win the league this year our average gate will fall dramtically. kids want to be entertained and watchig a team struggle (in relative terms) isnt as much fun as turning up to watch am exhibition.
i title from 1986 to 2009 it doesnt take the auld lads happy but the new crowd are different

If 4000+ is your low base then I wouldn’t be too worried. If every club was working of minimums of 4000 the league would be even stronger than it currently is.

I am still not convinced that the Pats figures as correct, yes they have significantly increased crowds, and long may it continue, and same for all clubs, but 4,811 last night?

Shels took a large crowd, but behind their goal was not full, poss 3/4. The away seating end of main stand was half full, call it 800 in total away support. Then a good few gaps all along that stand but jammers to be fair at Ultras corner. Call it 1200 max home fans main stand. Behind the goal, another decent crowd, looked to be 1k, add all up - 3,000 (give or take).

This leaves around 1,800 on the camac side?

Also what is the capacity of Richmond these days?

Originally Posted by oriel

I am still not convinced that the Pats figures as correct, yes they have significantly increased crowds, and long may it continue, and same for all clubs, but 4,811 last night?

Shels took a large crowd, but behind their goal was not full, poss 3/4. The away seating end of main stand was half full, call it 800 in total away support. Then a good few gaps all along that stand but jammers to be fair at Ultras corner. Call it 1200 max home fans main stand. Behind the goal, another decent crowd, looked to be 1k, add all up - 3,000 (give or take).

This leaves around 1,800 on the camac side?

Also what is the capacity of Richmond these days?

Feels like proper deja-vu having this conversation every time you (or maybe it was another Dundalk fan in the past) brings this up every few months. Capacity is around 5100. No tickets go on sale for the main stand for any game this year as it’s sold out by season ticket holders already. There can be gaps in the main stand but as mentioned the ultras section usually tends to be over full with more people standing than there are seats, as well as people standing on the steps. The Camac is absolutely rammed pretty much every week and has the highest capacity of any of the sides of the ground

Nigel, figures quoted for Wexford usually come from a "reliable source," so should be ok as a rule.

Since Thursday 7,500 tickets sold for Friday's clash at Tallaght between Premier Division leaders Shels and five-in-a-row Shamrocks!

2,423 at the RSC last night, great attendance for the home club for a Thursday night fixture, great promotion work being done by the club!

8276 at Rovers/Shels
4431 at Bohs/Pats
2302 at Galway/Dundalk
2679 at Derry/Sligo

Originally Posted by joey B

8276 at Rovers/Shels
4431 at Bohs/Pats
2302 at Galway/Dundalk
2679 at Derry/Sligo

The too many Dublin clubs theory has certainly died on the vine since Covid.

Great crowds in Dublin for the past few years. Do you think any Dublin clubs will be involved in the 3rd tier whenever it starts up?

Originally Posted by D24Saint

The too many Dublin clubs theory has certainly died on the vine since Covid.

Yeah have to admit that I was guilty of completely underestimating the ceiling of the Dublin clubs fan base.

Dublin derbies and the increased number of away fans at these games has been a big part of the game day experience/atmosphere in the LOI.

Pretty jealous of those clubs getting big-ish once a month but definitely scope for another Dublin club or two in a third tier.

Athlone v UCD - 541
City v Treaty - 2,523
Kerry v Harps - 420
Wexford v Bray - ?
Longford v Cobh - 264

Originally Posted by D24Saint

The too many Dublin clubs theory has certainly died on the vine since Covid.

That depends on what basis the assertion is made.

If it's on crowds alone, then yes - Dublin has a large enough population to sustain 4 'big' clubs at an LOI level.

However : If it's on the basis that our game should ideally be more evenly spread around the country....

Originally Posted by EatYerGreens

That depends on what basis the assertion is made.

If it's on crowds alone, then yes - Dublin has a large enough population to sustain 4 'big' clubs at an LOI level.

However : If it's on the basis that our game should ideally be more evenly spread around the country....

It’s a moot argument none of the four clubs are going to vanish into thin air to facilitate decentralisation.

Originally Posted by D24Saint

It’s a moot argument none of the four clubs are going to vanish into thin air to facilitate decentralisation.

There was no suggestion that they either could or should. Instead the issue is more about future expansion of the league.

There was a good reason why the idea of Kerry joining the LOI was widely welcomed, but another Dublin club just wouldn't have been.

Full weekend rundown:

Shamrock Rovers v Shelbourne - 8,276
Bohs v St Pats - 4,431
Derry City v Sligo Rovers - 2,679
Waterford v Drogheda - 2,423
Galway United v Dundalk - 2,302

Cork City v Treaty United - 2,523
Wexford v Bray Wanderers - 674
Athlone Town v UCD - 541
Kerry v Finn Harps - 420
Longford v Cobh Ramblers - 264

TOTAL - 24,533

Missing:
Longford v Treaty - 13th May


Bohs - 4,308 (4,243 {2023}; 3,209 {2022};2,878{19}; 2,148; 2,006; 1,627; 1,724; 1,395; 1,597; 1,496; 1,488)
Derry - 2,938 (3,336; 3,184; 2,049; 2,297; 1,517; 1,563; 1,124; 1,106; 1,446; 1,460; 2,135)
Drogheda - 2,008 (1,916; 1,941; 721 FD; ; 377 FD; 850; 583 FD; 813; 1,064; 817; 977; 811)
Dundalk - 2,497 (2,636; 2,689; 2,775; 2,738; 2,674; 2,738; 3,158; 2,534; 1,997; 949; 1,355)
Galway - 3,110 (2,018 FD; 2,081 FD; 780 FD; 746 FD; 1,376; 1,169; 1,290; 975 FD)
Pat's - 4,547 (4,232; 3,489; 1,919; 1,621; 1,504; 1,088; 1,321; 1,386; 1,687; 1,474; 1,346)
Rovers - 6,235 (6,109; 5,379; 3,384; 2,749; 2,809; 2,041; 2,890; 2,269; 2,763; 3,127; 3,779)
Shels - 4,195 (3,393; 2,913; 1,071 FD; 654 FD; 496 FD; 554 FD; 596 FD; 713 FD; 1,114; 1,187; 781 FD)
Sligo - 2,773 (2,555; 2,166; 1,995; 1,853; 1,717; 1,750; 1,750; 1,959; 2,342; 3,007; 2,103)
Waterford - 2,925 (1,833 FD; 1,705 FD; 1,496; 2,329; 1,550 FD; 314 FD; 460 FD; 470 FD; 478 FD; 453 FD; 466 FD)

FIRST DIVISION

Athlone - 675 (872; 307; 382; 130; 154; 156; 314; 653 PD; 754; 271; 200)
Bray - 656 (663; 482; 773; 643 PD; 966 PD; 957 PD; 769 PD; 718 PD; 891 PD; 965 PD; 1,121 PD)
Cobh - 878 (1,020; 872; 268; 236; 358; 403; 366; 223; 439; 2008 - 1,122 PD; 681)
Cork - 3,380 (3,666 PD; 3,517; 2,505 PD; 4,245 PD; 4,559 PD; 2,533 PD; 3,263 PD; 3,777 PD; 1,965 PD; 2,786 PD; 2,128)
Harps - 1,198 (1,154; 1,293 PD; 1,154 PD; 708; 1,202 PD; 1,216 PD; 784; 449; 479; 429; 433; 644)
Kerry - 665 (784)
Longford - 517 (679; 500; 610; 449; 342; 488 PD; 803 PD; 567; 379; 365; 315)
Treaty - 1,566 (642; 695)
UCD - 316 (809 PD; 953 PD; 739 PD; 365; 236; 297; 216; 397 PD; 487 PD; 506 PD; 558 PD; 610 PD)
Wexford - 595 (689; 445; 235; 181; 338; 585 PD; 553; 331; 227; 302; 216)

PREMIER AVERAGE: 3,613 (3,289; 2,687; 2,185; 2,170; 1,902; 1,476; 1,681; 1,502; 1,566; 1,630; 1,547)
FIRST DIVISION AVERAGE: 992 (1,035; 1,193; 586; 413; 477; 476; 486; 495; 391; 372; 578)

OVERALL AVERAGE: 2,333 (2,162; 2,051; 1,500; 1,249; 1,387; 1,117; 1,249; 1,160; 1,140; 1,125; 1,110)


OVERALL PREMIER ATTENDANCE: 321,564 (592,093; 486,365; 393,238; 316,515; 376,627; 292,204; 332,805; 297,334)
OVERALL FIRST ATTENDANCE: 84,327 (186,369; 178,000; 79,115; 55,756; 53,461; 52,807; 54,474; 55,408)

OVERALL COMBINED ATTENDANCE: 405,891 (778,462; 664,365; 472,353; 372,271; 430,088; 345,011; 387,279; 352,742)

Originally Posted by EatYerGreens

That depends on what basis the assertion is made.

If it's on crowds alone, then yes - Dublin has a large enough population to sustain 4 'big' clubs at an LOI level.

However : If it's on the basis that our game should ideally be more evenly spread around the country....

On the basis that "A rising tide floats all boats", then surely just because Dublin has enough of a population with an interest in football to support extra Senior clubs, shouldn't automatically mean that the game cannot also expand throughout the rest of the country as well?

Or are people in the rest of the country going to stop taking an interest in the game just because more people in Dublin are doing so?

I look at NI where there are four Belfast clubs in the Premiership and three more in the Championship (was four, only Kockbreda just got relegated). This hasn't stopped the growth of football in the provincial towns at the same time, whether "sugar daddy" clubs like Larne, or village clubs like Loughgall etc.

Or look at England, which currently has 7 London clubs in the PL alone, plus another half-dozen or so EFL clubs - the rest of the game is thriving, too. Or Argentina, where Buenos Aires has more professional clubs again than London. Or Uruguay/Montevideo.

Originally Posted by EalingGreen

On the basis that "A rising tide floats all boats", then surely just because Dublin has enough of a population with an interest in football to support extra Senior clubs, shouldn't automatically mean that the game cannot also expand throughout the rest of the country as well?

Or are people in the rest of the country going to stop taking an interest in the game just because more people in Dublin are doing so?

I look at NI where there are four Belfast clubs in the Premiership and three more in the Championship (was four, only Kockbreda just got relegated). This hasn't stopped the growth of football in the provincial towns at the same time, whether "sugar daddy" clubs like Larne, or village clubs like Loughgall etc.

Or look at England, which currently has 7 London clubs in the PL alone, plus another half-dozen or so EFL clubs - the rest of the game is thriving, too. Or Argentina, where Buenos Aires has more professional clubs again than London. Or Uruguay/Montevideo.

All very interesting. But the bottom line is that if you ask LOI fans if they would have a preference for more clubs in Dublin or more elsewhere in the country, the latter would win out.