Dublin unrest after stabbing

[Neish]

The issue is immigration policy. It is the root of the unrest and disillusionment. The organized protest and unrest is seen as a last resort by the impacted community after the rape/sexual assault of a 10 year old child by an immigrant. A last resort after years of disturbances and crime where their calls for police intervention and dialogue with local authorities were basically ignored. The unacceptable thuggery and violence that attached to the protest was sadly inevitable but it represented a very small percentage of the 2000-3000 people that were there. Yet it dominated the discourse and distracted from a very valid local and national issue. Immigration.

You cant say in good faith or in good intelligence that the issue is not immigration policy but is simply down to racism and targeted violence. You say that immigration is working because we have more doctors and nurses in healthcare. How can you say that with a straight face? Is the issue that one dimensional to you? In fact, Simon Harris - based on his comments over the weekend - would now seem to agree that the issue is immigration policy. He basically suggests the same as I posted earlier in the thread in terms of us taking too many in that we cannot sustain (he adds that there are also many, many bad faith applicants). A post he probably would have labelled as far right or racist not too long ago.

Last resort? Its the first resort for most. Have you a list all they other methods the organiser of these protest exhausted to voice the objections before your last resort of violence and intimadation?

I didn't say it isn't about immigration policy but down to racism, I asked why are they not targeting government building who set said policy instead of using collective punishment on hundreds if not thousands with the use of violent and non violent intimation protests outside IPA centres? "Chants & banners of get them out etc"

And I reiterate if you attending events and spreading social media posts organised by blatant bigoted racists then you are guilty by association . Are you telling me this self proclaimed "silent majority" can't get themselves together to organise their own events and excluded the far right from them? And if violence etc occurs(by small groups) they voice their objections to it with the same amount of vigor that they did to push their ideology

As for Pineapple stu , I'm ignoring you until you tell by how it is racist to allow people to move to other countries for better job and quality of life. We Irish a one of the biggest per capita migrating nationalities in the world the vast, vast majority of it economic and its deprived Ireland of skilled workers that were trained in Ireland. This is the way the worls has operated since the industrial revolution its not racist in any way

[SkStu]

Last resort? Its the first resort for most. Have you a list all they other methods the organiser of these protest exhausted to voice the objections before your last resort of violence and intimadation?

Absolute spoofery of the highest. Another example of where you just draw an unsupported conclusion so you can continue to support your position. Read the reams of quotes from local residents, community groups and local councillors who have all commented on the lack of engagement and dialogue, and the concerns that went unanswered. A lot of these articles include quotes from the IPAS residents themselves who raised issues and concerns about their conditions and experiences that were ignored.

I didn't say it isn't about immigration policy but down to racism, I asked why are they not targeting government building who set said policy instead of using collective punishment on hundreds if not thousands with the use of violent and non violent intimation protests outside IPA centres? "Chants & banners of get them out etc"

"The issue is not questioning immigration policy..." - your words.

And I reiterate if you attending events and spreading social media posts organised by blatant bigoted racists then you are guilty by association . Are you telling me this self proclaimed "silent majority" can't get themselves together to organise their own events and excluded the far right from them? And if violence etc occurs(by small groups) they voice their objections to it with the same amount of vigor that they did to push their ideology

What evidence do you have that the organizers are blatant bigoted racists? The public record shows that the protests were initially peaceful and that they were organized by local groups who were shocked at the rape / sexual assault of a 10 year old kid by someone in their community. These protests were subsequently hijacked by gurriers and racists. Where is the guilt by association coming into it? Drawing that out, I assume you refuse to attend football matches where there are hooligans because that will naturally make you a hooligan too? By your own rules, you are guilty by association for daring to show up at a game where there might be hooligans. Absolutely nothing you can do about it, of course, but there you are; a hooligan.

What are your thoughts on the recent comments from the politicians who seem to agree with the points I made over the last couple of pages? Racists?

[Neish]

Absolute spoofery of the highest. Another example of where you just draw an unsupported conclusion so you can continue to support your position. Read the reams of quotes from local residents, community groups and local councillors who have all commented on the lack of engagement and dialogue, and the concerns that went unanswered. A lot of these articles include quotes from the IPAS residents themselves who raised issues and concerns about their conditions and experiences that were ignored.

I'm well aware of this, but there are many other methods of action that can be taken if question are ignored. Petitions, mass organised letters/emails etc to both government and media, sit-ins, blocking roads just a few off the top of my head. Nothing justifies the use of collective punishment by use of aggressive intimation of hundreds/ thousands of people for crimes of a few

"The issue is not questioning immigration policy..." - your words.

You seem to have mis understood here , or perhaps I worded poorly. I'm saying questioning immigration policy is not the issue , the issue is targeting IPA centres not government where such policies are made with protest especially with violent and agressive intimidation racist chants of get them out etc

What evidence do you have that the organizers are blatant bigoted racists? The public record shows that the protests were initially peaceful and that they were organized by local groups who were shocked at the rape / sexual assault of a 10 year old kid by someone in their community. These protests were subsequently hijacked by gurriers and racists. Where is the guilt by association coming into it? Drawing that out, I assume you refuse to attend football matches where there are hooligans because that will naturally make you a hooligan too? By your own rules, you are guilty by association for daring to show up at a game where there might be hooligans. Absolutely nothing you can do about it, of course, but there you are; a hooligan.

What are your thoughts on the recent comments from the politicians who seem to agree with the points I made over the last couple of pages? Racists?

You're telling me the like of Nial McConnell, Derek Blighe, Philip Dwyer, Gavin Pepper etc are racist or at best pushing mantra that far right bigots have used for decades. Your hooligan analogy is poor too as Hooligans don't organise football matches and are in many cases banned from attending games by the clubs of governing bodies


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Where is the concerned parents groups for this case?

Just about every week we see case of Irish men (and ocassionally women) in court for sexual assaults but yet no mass organised protests only in the IPA centres