Oh my god stop ...the footballing gods against him!Originally Posted by Insidetherock
The only reason we have France is because of Stephens results?. If we beat the worst Bulgarian team in 20 year's at home... Guess what we remain second seeds and no France
As against that, he had the Luck of the (Southern) Irish in the draw for the 2020 Euros, where ROI were drawn out as 3rd seeds in a Group with Germany, Netherlands, Belarus and Estonia, but went back into the hat again, since you couldn't have 3 hosts in the same group. Then ROI subsequently didn't actually host any games because of Covid etc.
While your new Group (Switzerland, Denmark, Georgia and Gibraltar) was noticeably easier.
P.S. I say "Southern" because NI got put in the original Group instead.
He wasn't even in charge for that group Ealing Green.
But yeah, the bad luck thing is nonsense. We got the draw we got because he made a balls of the Nations League campaign. We didn't get a playoff that would have probably allowed him to cling on grimly for a few more months because he made a balls of the Nations League campaign. He got two handy enough Nations League draws and made a mess of both groups, narrowly avoiding relegation each time only because there was a team even worse than his one in both groups.
We concede too many soft goals because he has no clue how to set a team up defensively. We have beaten Wales, Austria and France (over 90 minutes) away from home in recent years so his Tier 1 "stat" is bull**** as well.
He is a terrible manager at this level and has been shown up in this regard repeatedly over the last three years. I can't wait to see the back of him in truth. Only once he's gone can our rebuild really begin.
Let’s not be stupid about this. Wales and Austria aren’t Tier 1 teams. France we didn’t beat.
Tier 1 teams are:
Germany
France
Spain
Italy
England
Netherlands
Portugal
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Belgium
Croatia
First 7 are sure things. Belgium and Croatia aren’t always but are in the last decade
If you're cutting it down to that few a number then I wouldn't have the Netherlands in there either. Not the current team anyway.
Teams you never want to get drawn against in qualifiers will always contain that list from ES. To suggest that the Netherlands shouldn’t be in there, current team or not, is a bit much. Of the list of 7, England and Portugal have had dips in form too over the last 30 years but quality always stays high and you’d still hate to draw them, let alone any two of them in the same group.
Less than a year ago, they lost in the quarter final <EDIT> of the world cup, on penalties to the eventual winner. Not sure how they're not at the very very top table???
Last edited by elatedscum; 19/11/2023 at 9:39 PM.
The quarters, not the semis. And that with about as easy a run to the quarters as you could hope for
But they're definitely top table in my eyes, even if they're often one step away from a crisis
(I'm also quite happy to count the France game as a win!)
Doh! For some reason I had it in my head he took over in 2018.
Can't comment on that, since I don't follow closely enough.
Generally, however, I firmly believe that managers, like players, need time to grow into the job, but while we're patient with young players, managers never get that time.
Mind you, even if SK might learn more and improve with more time on the job (debatable), I suspect he may have lost this set of players, won't get them back, and there isn't another set to replace them.
Treason ? Jesus, calm down. He’s a football manager who hasn’t done very well, that’s all.
Out for a spell, got neglected, lay on the bench unselected.
I think Weghort's shot was perfect. Powerful, started outside the post and curled in.
Scales was outstanding imho. Cullen was very brave but really had a thankless task trying to build anything. I was lucky enough to be at Chelsea v Man City last week. Two players really stood out. Cole Palmer and Bernardo Silva. Always looking to do something poisitive with the ball. Years ago I used the terms "adhesive" and "accretive" here to describe CMs. The former is a Cullen-type who recycles the ball but doesn't add much in possession, the latter is someone who constantly probes and stretches defences, either by direct running or incisive passing, or both. Silva and Palmer were accretive-on-steroids. Palmer's bravery in taking the ball on the half-turn, spinning quickly and just relentlessly attacking space was incredible. On Saturday we just had nobody capable of doing what rugby calls "getting over the gain line". Knight tried to spin his man once but just ran straight into him. Lack of pace ahead of Knight and Browne made it harder tbf. At Chelsea Palmer knew that once he had turned he had a pacy wide man to hit either side (Sterling was frequently his out ball and their full backs got forward) with Gallagher supporting him centrally and a mobile centre forward to hit (even if Jackson is a bit hit & miss). Apropos nothing, Rodri was huge. Much bigger in the flesh than he looks on TV.
He's had 40 odd games in charge now which is enough to make the generational change in the player pool (which he had done) and to improve our lot in terms of results (which he hasn't done, obviously). His win percentage is just 28%. While this win percentage may be acceptable to give more time on the job elsewhere, for example it's more than what Baraclough achieved and what O'Neill currently has, it is from our historical perspective as low as it gets.
He does seem to have the players backing but that's not too surprising given he made previous squad players into regulars in the team (Doherty, Egan, Cullen) or gave players their debuts. There's always a couple of options to change the make up of the team but a full set of readymade players to come in doesn't exist. But it's a young squad with potential, and looking at the underage teams, it's reasonable to hope that a few above-average senior players are coming through.
Martin o neill got us to the last 16 of the euros.... But Mon has attacked and had a load of goes at Stephen. Fine whatever
But Stephen having a go at Stan who has never once had a go at Stephen is absolutely disgraceful. Christ I thought Stephen was just useless but he might be a bellend as well
Nathan Collins the only one ruled out with an ankle ligament injury. Evan Ferguson seems to be okay according to Kenny.
It’s called exaggerated hyperbole used to match Kenny’s own exaggerated spoofing ( on the rare occasions when one can decipher his gibberish)
Anyway hopefully tonight brings the end of the worst manager we’ve ever had to suffer.
Last edited by Calcio Jack; 20/11/2023 at 12:50 PM.
That's a bit mad.
Saturday on its own would have been overlooked had it not been the culmination of lots of poor results of course.
Its pretty odd that Kenny could even think that even in his wildest dreams that he could / should be kept on as Irish manager.
Better to leave with a bit if dignity and realism.
His media interactions are excruciating at this stage,like he lives in a bubble and doesn’t understand how badly is reign is now viewed,taking shots at previous managers doesn’t paint him in a good light…..
Irish by birth ,Harps by the grace of god.
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