Next Senior Men's Team Manager - Runners and Riders

[CraftyToePoke]

We're making fun of Christians / Catholics now?

You've nailed it.

[passinginterest]

We're making fun of Christians / Catholics now?

Feed him to the lions!

[Razors left peg]

We're making fun of Christians / Catholics now?

Down with that sort of thing! Careful now!

There should be nun of that around here, but Jesus is playing for Brazil so I don't see why we can't have him as manager since he can be everywhere all at once

[Jolly Red Giant]

Poyet is way ahead of Kenny (and O'Shea) in terms of managerial ability - he is a nutcase but it would be far from boring if he got the job.

[Colbert Report]

Is Poyet 6/4 at Paddy Power? Can't access the odds from North America.

[seanfhear]

We're making fun of Christians / Catholics now?

Great bunch of lads and girls.

That is the strength of christianity / catholicism ~ Is that it is strong enough / confident enough to be made fun of.

On a wing and a prayer, we will get more out of a player.

[backstothewall]

Is Poyet 6/4 at Paddy Power? Can't access the odds from North America.

Yes.

Gus Poyet 6/4F
Willie Sagnol 9/4
John O'Shea 10/3
Robbie Keane 9/1
Anthony Barry 10/1
Roberto Di Matteo 11/1

20/1 Bar

[SwanVsDalton]

I'd take Poyet as I think he is the better manager and a proven one at that. It will be, if its him, an absolute rollercoaster ride and doesn't seem like the type of decision that the FAI would make [I typically would associate them with fairly conservative or safe appointments]. It could blow up spectacularly.

You're not wrong in that assessment. All I'm saying is that if we're going for a combustible loudmouth with a patchy managerial record who's likely to set fire to the whole thing before they leave, then there's no way we should be looking past one Royston Keane Esq. A disaster, but a 'the craic is 91' disaster.

[samhaydenjr]

Yes.

Gus Poyet 6/4F
Willie Sagnol 9/4
John O'Shea 10/3
Robbie Keane 9/1
Anthony Barry 10/1
Roberto Di Matteo 11/1

20/1 Bar

So it's:

Untrustworthy chancer 6/4f
Guy who makes dodgy statements about race 9/4
Possible Steve Staunton reboot 10/3
Close to a possible Steve Staunton reboot 9/1
Ha! We wish! 10/1
Ruled out already 11/1

It's going swimmingly (or the bookies don't actually have a clue). Suddenly that guy nobody likes who briefly had the England job is looking like a viable option!

[John83]

We're making fun of Christians / Catholics now?

They're making puns on Christian terms. It's not decorious, but it's not the same as mockery. Christianity used to be able to demand decorum, but have lost that priviledge as our society rejected their claims to moral authority in light of, e.g., their shielding and enabling paedophiles and their mistreatment of mothers and children out of wedlock. This is an example of how loss of privilege is sometimes mistaken for discrimination. A counterexample, "Christians are overly sensitive to criticism because their beliefs are illogical and that makes thim insecure about their faith," would be mocking Christians.

Additionally, many Irish people have grown up in Christian households, and have a cultural claim on Christian language, customs, and iconography they grew up with. This is why, for example, many non-religious people celebrate Christmas in an entirely secular fashion, and do so without mocking the Christian holiday. A counterexample, quoting Jeremiah 10:2-4, 'Thus says the Lord: “Learn not the way of the nations, nor be dismayed at the signs of the heavens because the nations are dismayed at them, for the customs of the peoples are vanity. A tree from the forest is cut down and worked with an axe by the hands of a craftsman. They decorate it with silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so that it cannot move,' and pointing out the relationship to Christmas trees would be an example of mocking the Christian holiday.

I hope this was helpful in clarifying the situation.

[Razors left peg]

They're making puns on Christian terms. It's not decorious, but it's not the same as mockery. Christianity used to be able to demand decorum, but have lost that priviledge as our society rejected their claims to moral authority in light of, e.g., their shielding and enabling paedophiles and their mistreatment of mothers and children out of wedlock. This is an example of how loss of privilege is sometimes mistaken for discrimination. A counterexample, "Christians are overly sensitive to criticism because their beliefs are illogical and that makes thim insecure about their faith," would be mocking Christians.

Additionally, many Irish people have grown up in Christian households, and have a cultural claim on Christian language, customs, and iconography they grew up with. This is why, for example, many non-religious people celebrate Christmas in an entirely secular fashion, and do so without mocking the Christian holiday. A counterexample, quoting Jeremiah 10:2-4, 'Thus says the Lord: “Learn not the way of the nations, nor be dismayed at the signs of the heavens because the nations are dismayed at them, for the customs of the peoples are vanity. A tree from the forest is cut down and worked with an axe by the hands of a craftsman. They decorate it with silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so that it cannot move,' and pointing out the relationship to Christmas trees would be an example of mocking the Christian holiday.

I hope this was helpful in clarifying the situation.

To be fair I was making fun of Christians, but well written

[Diggs246]

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/...-41362600.html

[Razors left peg]

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/...-41362600.html

Make it stop

[Eirambler]

So if we finally know in March who they met back in November, we should know the identity of the actual manager by about August.

[Eirambler]

So it's:

Untrustworthy chancer 6/4f
Guy who makes dodgy statements about race 9/4
Possible Steve Staunton reboot 10/3
Close to a possible Steve Staunton reboot 9/1
Ha! We wish! 10/1
Ruled out already 11/1

It's going swimmingly (or the bookies don't actually have a clue). Suddenly that guy nobody likes who briefly had the England job is looking like a viable option!

I'm sticking with Untrustworthy Chancer by a short head in the 5:30 at Abbotstown.

[Olé Olé]

The Keane stuff is funny because they set and started the Head Coach thing outset. Even if he isn't in contention now then why did they meet him at all?

If he is in contention, he could slot in above JOS tidily. But, then, there is no experienced or renowned coach between them. That doesn't work?

Feels like Anthony Barry is the only name that could work at his point but that may be unlikely.

They'll end up having to go for Poyet or Keane ...

[Snapshot]

The Keane stuff is funny because they set and started the Head Coach thing outset. Even if he isn't in contention now then why did they meet him at all?

If he is in contention, he could slot in above JOS tidily. But, then, there is no experienced or renowned coach between them. That doesn't work?

Feels like Anthony Barry is the only name that could work at his point but that may be unlikely.

They'll end up having to go for Poyet or Keane ...

I'd be comfortable with Anthony Barry if he's available. There was a marked improvement during his spell with Kenny. Sure, he lacks experience (as a manager) but his coaching development via Wigan, Chelsea, Belgium, Portugal and Bayern Munich can hardly be faulted. In fact it's damn impressive for anyone - and he's only 37.

Otherwise, was John O'Shea really that bad? Decent enough against Belgium but flat versus Switzerland. Two friendlies against reasonable opposition. Kenny was 20-plus games into his reign before the uniquitous "he needs more time" mantra pulled a hammy. How quickly we forget.

Otherwise, it looks like Poyet. Good, bad and ugly if the poo hits the fan.

[Razors left peg]

I'd be comfortable with Anthony Barry if he's available. There was a marked improvement during his spell with Kenny. Sure, he lacks experience (as a manager) but his coaching development via Wigan, Chelsea, Belgium, Portugal and Bayern Munich can hardly be faulted. In fact it's damn impressive for anyone - and he's only 37.

Otherwise, was John O'Shea really that bad? Decent enough against Belgium but flat versus Switzerland. Two friendlies against reasonable opposition. Kenny was 20-plus games into his reign before the uniquitous "he needs more time" mantra pulled a hammy. How quickly we forget.

Otherwise, it looks like Poyet. Good, bad and ugly if the poo hits the fan.

Yes O'Shea was really that bad. The inability to adjust the shape to fit how the game was going will stay with me a long time

[brine3]

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/...-41362600.html

If d'paper says so then I'd say it's true.

[backstothewall]

In fact it's damn impressive for anyone - and he's only 37.

If it's old enough to be Taoiseach I suppose it's hard to argue he's too young to coach the football team!