Next Senior Men's Team Manager - Runners and Riders

[pineapple stu]

Reviewed here - it's glorious. (The review, that is)

https://www.balls.ie/football/steve-bruce-novel-293169

That said, it starts off with an Irish striker being fatally stabbed in the back. I'm not sure that's who we want in charge...

[Snapshot]

You tell me then, this is a manager with no managerial experience, was part of the Kenny backroom staff last year when Ireland lost every game as far as im concerned (no matter how bad we were realistically we weren't losing to Gibraltar) and so far hasn't set the team up much differently to Kenny and yet the panel is full of support for him despite lambasting Kenny previously...

Again lets look at the evidence presented, what evidence on show would suggest he's going to do a good job? Even the people backing him cant bring themselves to praise his management, they simply just praise his personality which says it all. And not only that the extent of which they go out to defend him despite all the evidence is so desperate that I fail to believe there is no some sort of altered motive in play. Maybe its reading from a script or maybe they are backing a mate, either is possible, but I refuse to believe they are backing him because they legitimately think he's the best option as it seems very left field especially when you consider what they thought of Stephen Kenny.

It's worth noting McMillian is the only person on one of these shows that wasn't part of the RTE panel or a former team mate of O'Shea and yet he was the only one who backed against him...funny that.

The conspiracy theory is rubbish. The Kenny era was a wrecking ball from potty romanticism to downright incompetence. O'Shea was last through the backroom’s revolving door. To taint him with the full body of the Kenny failure is unfair. The horse had well and truly bolted. If anything, the Kenny/Andrews losers' environment must have been a rude wake-up call.


I've never considered him a standout candidate, but he doesn't deserve the flak cast by those who so aggressively demanded more time for Kenny.

[Razors left peg]

Ngl none of that is any better than Kenny's experience, lets not forget Kenny managed in Europe competing not only in the Europa league but also against sides like BATE & Legia Warsaw...if you are hiring Carsley you're hiring almost entirely based on his experience with the English U21's and while he's done great with them ultimately its different managing kids to managing adults and it's questionable that he would be able to make the step up for Ireland. He could be a revelation of course but people who think if he gets hired he'll automatically be a massive improvement on Kenny might want to keep expectations in order, he could very well be but there's also a chance he could just be as bad as ultimately based on his CV this is an appointment with an element of risk attached to it based on the points made here.

Carsley probably manages more 1st team Premiership footballers with the England U21s than he would with the senior Ireland job. Its not kids he is managing. Its a moot point anyway, since he is not taking the Ireland job, but he would have been well qualified for it.

Any appointment has a large element of risk to it. Which is why O'Shea should be ruled out immediately. IF we had appointed Carsley on a 4 year contract and the first 4 games looked like O'Sheas trial run we'd all be panicking. Those 4 games give us a snapshot of what his tenue would look like and only an idiot who hasnt a clue about football or someone with an agenda would continue to defend his claim for the job.

[EalingGreen]

Ngl none of that is any better than Kenny's experience, lets not forget Kenny managed in Europe competing not only in the Europa league but also against sides like BATE & Legia Warsaw...if you are hiring Carsley you're hiring almost entirely based on his experience with the English U21's and while he's done great with them ultimately its different managing kids to managing adults and it's questionable that he would be able to make the step up for Ireland. He could be a revelation of course but people who think if he gets hired he'll automatically be a massive improvement on Kenny might want to keep expectations in order, he could very well be but there's also a chance he could just be as bad as ultimately based on his CV this is an appointment with an element of risk attached to it based on the points made here.

Carsley was extremely highly thought of at Brentford, only turning down the offer to be permanent manager for (legitimate) family reasons.

And Brentford's record in appointing managers, often from "left field", is first class. The south would be lucky to get him.

[elatedscum]

Carsley was extremely highly thought of at Brentford, only turning down the offer to be permanent manager for (legitimate) family reasons.

And Brentford's record in appointing managers, often from "left field", is first class. The south would be lucky to get him.

The South? Can't see him manage the 6 counties of Munster

[EalingGreen]

The South? Can't see him manage the 6 counties of Munster

Nah, you must know them - live next door to the north.

[Diggs246]

Officially the name of our country is Ireland, not the rep of Ireland.

Is there a officially a nationality of northern Irish. Or are you Irish or British.. of course you can recognise as all three etc but officially? I'm not sure. Anyone?

[Crosby87]

That Turkiye/Georgia half was one of the most entertaining in recent memory

Oh for Ireland to make a tournament and play with a little moxie

[CSAD]

Carsley was extremely highly thought of at Brentford, only turning down the offer to be permanent manager for (legitimate) family reasons.

And Brentford's record in appointing managers, often from "left field", is first class. The south would be lucky to get him.

He is a good manager I agree and could end up being a great appointment for Ireland. But let's be real, we are rating him based on hypothetical possibilities and work he's done at underage level. The key word there is "could", all the reasons why he might be a great appointment are there but the key overall fact is he has very little experience in senior management outside of work as an assistant. It would hopefully workout but we cant deny there would be a degree of risk involved in the appointment and more of one than a lot of people seem to believe.

[CSAD]

Carsley probably manages more 1st team Premiership footballers with the England U21s than he would with the senior Ireland job. Its not kids he is managing. Its a moot point anyway, since he is not taking the Ireland job, but he would have been well qualified for it.

Any appointment has a large element of risk to it. Which is why O'Shea should be ruled out immediately. IF we had appointed Carsley on a 4 year contract and the first 4 games looked like O'Sheas trial run we'd all be panicking. Those 4 games give us a snapshot of what his tenue would look like and only an idiot who hasnt a clue about football or someone with an agenda would continue to defend his claim for the job.

And those England u21 players are no older than 23 years old...it's not the same as managing a senior team. He would be qualified ofcourse but I'm not convinced he would be the dream appoint that some deem, most on here seem to think anyone that works in the English FA is a god so I think its a common misconception though.

Well O'Shea is no risk, its either be just as bad as we are now or be even worse...the issue I have with the Carley appointment is after the last 2 managers we've had if we have another relatively inexperienced manager (by international management standards) come in and things dont improve then the pressure could come on very quickly.

[Razors left peg]

And those England u21 players are no older than 23 years old...it's not the same as managing a senior team. He would be qualified ofcourse but I'm not convinced he would be the dream appoint that some deem, most on here seem to think anyone that works in the English FA is a god so I think its a common misconception though.

Dont know where you are getting that from. No one on here would even think of Canham as capable never mind a God, and the same with Hill before him.

[Razors left peg]

John O'Shea has written on Instagram where he says "Looking forward to the next Chapter" at the end of post thanking staff and players.

Do we think hes been told its not his?

[pineapple stu]

I'm not convinced he would be the dream appoint that some deem, most on here seem to think anyone that works in the English FA is a god so I think its a common misconception though.

Who thinks Carsley would be a dream appointment? Far as I can see most people view his as a former Irish international having a bit of success in management - those people are very rare and are always going to be interesting/favoured candidates.

I don't think anyone thinks "anyone that works in the English FA is a god" either.

Or maybe you can point to a couple of posts that back your views up?

[seanfhear]

Who thinks Carsley would be a dream appointment? Far as I can see most people view his as a former Irish international having a bit of success in management - those people are very rare and are always going to be interesting/favoured candidates.

I don't think anyone thinks "anyone that works in the English FA is a god" either.

Or maybe you can point to a couple of posts that back your views up?

Nice bit of Parsley adds a bit of flavour !

[Olé Olé]

Officially the name of our country is Ireland, not the rep of Ireland.

Is there a officially a nationality of northern Irish. Or are you Irish or British.. of course you can recognise as all three etc but officially? I'm not sure. Anyone?

Don't feed the troll.

[Eminence Grise]

John O'Shea has written on Instagram where he says "Looking forward to the next Chapter" at the end of post thanking staff and players.

Do we think hes been told its not his?

Just as likely he's halfway through Steve Bruce's under-appreciated trilogy of whodunnits.

[seanfhear]

Just as likely he's halfway through Steve Bruce's under-appreciated trilogy of whodunnits.

Was it a dodgy referee that done it ? !

[tetsujin1979]

Paul Butler did it!

[backstothewall]

Ahh here folks. Official names? Would ye ever wind yer necks in?

Do you refer to the Hellenic Republic or the Kingdom or the Netherlands in normal conversation? Colloquially Northern Ireland/the Occupied 6 Counties are refered to as the north and Poblacht na hÉireann/the Irish Free State is the south.

I thought us Nordies were supposed to be the specialists in manufactured grievances. I think we all know whats meant when someone says the north are away to Greece and the south are playing Holland at Lansdowne Road.

[Snapshot]

Those 4 games give us a snapshot of what his tenue would look like and only an idiot who hasnt a clue about football or someone with an agenda would continue to defend his claim for the job.

Maybe you're right. You've had your little dig, now let's move on. I salute your passion for Ireland and football. It's what makes us travellers on the same train. But it's a journey I'll take less often - so best of luck into the future with whoever, whenever, whatever.