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    Quote Originally Posted by ifk101 View Post
    Don’t get the fondness for McCarthy. We scored 7, conceded 5 during his EC2020 qualification campaign. Switzerland and Denmark both conceded 6 goals but scored three times as much. And arguably out best performances under McCarthy were late goals to salvage draws. Our personality was the launching of balls into the box and hoping the second ball breaks our way, and an over-reliance on set plays to muster attempts on goal. Can work for a while, see McCarthy's initial spell at Cardiff, but ultimately is all huff and puff stuff, and gets found out quickly enough. Kenny’s time was up, but we were going nowhere under McCarthy (and were paying him twice as much as Kenny and gave him an additional €1million+ to leave his position).
    Going nowhere? We were literally 1 goal away from automatic qualification in Micks last campaign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ifk101 View Post
    Don’t get the fondness for McCarthy. We scored 7, conceded 5 during his EC2020 qualification campaign. Switzerland and Denmark both conceded 6 goals but scored three times as much. And arguably out best performances under McCarthy were late goals to salvage draws. Our personality was the launching of balls into the box and hoping the second ball breaks our way, and an over-reliance on set plays to muster attempts on goal. Can work for a while, see McCarthy's initial spell at Cardiff, but ultimately is all huff and puff stuff, and gets found out quickly enough. Kenny’s time was up, but we were going nowhere under McCarthy (and were paying him twice as much as Kenny and gave him an additional €1million+ to leave his position).
    McCarthy had us playing better and with more spirit in a very limited amount of time than Kenny had in 4 years. McCarthy was a pragmatist. Kenny was a dreamer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by weldoninhio View Post
    Going nowhere? We were literally 1 goal away from automatic qualification in Micks last campaign.
    Yes going nowhere - we didn't qualify. The 1 goal away morale victory forgets the scrapping of wins against Gibraltar and Georgia, the one-dimension/ predictability of our play, our struggles to score goals, and the fact we picked up just 2 points in our last three games to scupper automatic qualification when the opportunity was there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fixer82 View Post
    McCarthy had us playing better and with more spirit in a very limited amount of time than Kenny had in 4 years. McCarthy was a pragmatist. Kenny was a dreamer.
    We parked the bus and played it long. Nothing to it. Sacked by three clubs since his time in charge ....
    Last edited by ifk101; 28/02/2024 at 9:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weldoninhio View Post
    Going nowhere? We were literally 1 goal away from automatic qualification in Micks last campaign.
    Correct Whelan hit the bar v Denmark, so we were literally an inch away

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    No, you very clearly said that.
    Please provide the quote where I said that I wanted taxpayers to pay for the FAI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eirambler View Post
    Please provide the quote where I said that I wanted taxpayers to pay for the FAI.
    Post 1338, where - in response to a direct question as to whether you wanted taxpayers to pay, you said "I specifically said I didn't expect that to happen."

    When you answer questions you weren't asked (and badly), you have to draw the conclusion that you can't answer the question posed because you do agree with it.

    If you want to clarify/correct your post, then that's fine.

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    So, in short, there's no post you can quote where I said that and you're basically just talking ****. Thanks for clarifying anyway.

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    Not entirely unexpected. McCarthy as assistant is interesting
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eirambler View Post
    So, in short, there's no post you can quote where I said that and you're basically just talking ****. Thanks for clarifying anyway.
    Sigh...

    You were happy to spend "hundreds of thousands" extra and rather flippantly said that the taxpayer could cover any burden, while dismissing any financial concerns.

    You didn't say the exact words "I want taxpayers to pay for the FAI", but to all intents and purposes that was the message behind your posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetsujin1979 View Post
    Not entirely unexpected. McCarthy as assistant is interesting
    Ah.

    That's a bit disappointing. Nothing against O'Shea, but it seems we're a while away from appointing anyone yet. Still what - another two weeks till the March squad gets announced?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    Sigh...

    You were happy to spend "hundreds of thousands" extra and rather flippantly said that the taxpayer could cover any burden, while dismissing any financial concerns.

    You didn't say the exact words "I want taxpayers to pay for the FAI", but to all intents and purposes that was the message behind your posts.
    Well part of that is finally an admission that I didn't say something that I didn't say, so that's at least a start I suppose...

    Mind you, not only did you accuse me of saying something I didn't say, you actually then came back to say that you were basing the accusation on an answer I didn't give! The mind boggles, quite frankly.

    Anyway, there's a post edit function for when you and ontheotherhand want to correct your errors.

    Very disappointing seeing the interim manager announcement, though I suspect it's because the best permanent announcement would have been worse again. They're not going to get someone decent unless and until they offer an appropriate financial package, it's as simple as that really.
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    I'm really trying not to read anything into this announcement being made on the same day as Lee Carsley's 50th birthday
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    Annoying that it's come to this. Certainly gives the impression that the FAI either can't agree or are unhappy with the candidates they have.

    Bit of a free hit for O'Shea: if he does well over the two games his name will just naturally enter the conversation, if he does badly he's just interim so who cares, and Ireland wouldn't be expected to win either game anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eirambler View Post
    Well, there's a few possibilities. Most of them involved state funding in one form or another, - be it a loan or a bailout - which almost certainly wouldn't happen with a club. But at the end of it all there would still be a national football association and we'd continue to have a national football team.

    Look, none of this is going to happen anyway for the sake of throwing a few hundred thousand extra to hire a better manager. Especially not in the context of the debts JD ran up. As I said earlier a better manager would be more likely to pay for himself, especially if the alternative is a Jim Crawford or a Stephen Bradley type or, god forbid, a Neil Lennon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tetsujin1979 View Post
    Not entirely unexpected. McCarthy as assistant is interesting
    I'd previously been in the camp of giving the FAI time to get the right man in, this is just beyond a joke though.

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    Well if nothing else, it will be interesting to see how O'Shea sets the team up and plays, and to compare that to his time assisting Kenny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ifk101 View Post
    Well if nothing else, it will be interesting to see how O'Shea sets the team up and plays, and to compare that to his time assisting Kenny.
    Which begs the question why the FAI didn't do it once Kenny became a lame duck manager after the September window. At least then O'Shea being interim for this window would have meant he already had four games under his belt as interim.

    Said it before but if they're appointing O'Shea as interim now then they're not confident of finding someone before June. If we do alright in these games they'll leave O'Shea as manager. Mowbury wanted him to stay at Birmingham but O'Shea wanted to leave to pursue management opportunities so probably should have seen this coming back then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JR89 View Post
    Which begs the question why the FAI didn't do it once Kenny became a lame duck manager after the September window. At least then O'Shea being interim for this window would have meant he already had four games under his belt as interim.

    Said it before but if they're appointing O'Shea as interim now then they're not confident of finding someone before June. If we do alright in these games they'll leave O'Shea as manager. Mowbury wanted him to stay at Birmingham but O'Shea wanted to leave to pursue management opportunities so probably should have seen this coming back then.

    Odd one alright. You'd think gardening leave for Kenny at that point would have made sense if O'Shea as interim manager was on the list of options, which they must have had at that point....right? They probably couldn't have sacked Kenny but surely he could have been pushed to one side. Maybe he had enough allies left that it was just too messy to be worth it?

    It's all a bit depressing now. But I like John O'Shea so......good for him I suppose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eirambler View Post
    Well part of that is finally an admission that I didn't say something that I didn't say, so that's at least a start I suppose...

    Mind you, not only did you accuse me of saying something I didn't say, you actually then came back to say that you were basing the accusation on an answer I didn't give! The mind boggles, quite frankly.
    Not really. You made a suggestion and blithely noted the taxpayer could cover the tab if your idea of spending "an extra few hundred grand" on a manager didn't work out. You were directly challenged as to whether you really wanted that and you ignored the question, answering a different question instead.

    Common political tactic - you don't answer the question you're asked because you can't, and you answer a different question instead because it makes you sound better.

    If you want now to answer the question you were asked and say that you don't want the taxpayer to fund the manager, then fire ahead. But you'd also have to row back on your Delaney-esque suggestion we lash money at the manager's role and sure we'll see what happens.

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    On the manager - hasn't Lennon been told by the FAI he won't be getting the job?

    It's a bit strange to tell someone they won't get the job without knowing who will get it. Are we still looking at Carlsey then? That's the angle the Mirror are taking on it, but the headline is far more substantial than the actual body of text.

    His appointment paves the way for the FAI to make one final push for England Under-21 manager Carsley.

    The 40-time capped midfielder was adamant that he would take charge of England’s two Euro qualifiers next month - against Azerbaijan and Luxembourg.

    He had given his commitment to his employers and to his coaching staff that he would be in the dugout for those games.

    But with England not in competitive action again until their September 6 visit to Northern Ireland, it would give the FA ample time to replace the popular boss.

    The FAI never fully closed the door on Carsley - and the appointment of O’Shea gives them the chance to secure a deal with their long-time top target, which allows him to fulfil his commitments to his current employers.
    That kind of reads like a foot.ie post - bit of sensible speculation with no real insider info at all.

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