Please take your logic elsewhere.Originally Posted by seanfhear
Make sure the FAI don't see my post = = That kind of logic would be a bit beyond them , I fear !
Well I’m going off what he says here. But of course I could be wrong. I’m often wrong
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Folding my way into the big money!!!
That’s a class video. Not one I’ve seen before. Cheers fixer
And not like the manager could travel over to Ireland now and then to do some work with the other underage managers.
There's also a magical thing called remote working too so not like he can't log onto Zoom to have meetings with the other coaches. Heck company I work for we work with teams in the USA, Europe, Asia, and Australia on projects and we get by working together remotely.
If a billion dollar MNC can make it work then I'm sure a manager could make it work.
That's the whole point - a lot of people are making assumptions about him and concluding for him what he "should" do, whereas I'm saying that it may not be so straightforward, certainly not so much as to state: "My hate [for LC] is reserved until a) it is official and b) there’s a sense as to why." - SKStu, post #911.
Certainly people have pointed to quotations and a video which affirm his sense of Irishness, but even with the latter LC said "there wasn't anything to think about" back when he was a youngster growing up with his background etc.
But that was 3 or 4 decades ago and age and experience such as eg being poorly treated by the FAI versus being well treated by The FA, can colour previously strongly-held thinking.
While I've seen myself how people like Conor Bradley, Niall McGinn or Martin O'Neill can opt eg to play for NI without that compromising whatever political beliefs or questions of identity they may or may not hold.
In other words, and as (ahem) SKStu said in post #937, it's complicated, meaning people shouldn't rush to judge him either way, whatever he decides.
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Well I agree that there are a lot of factors in his taking the job and if he doesn't I would have no problem with it. Just as I had no problem with him taking time away from international football to be with his family. I was disappointed but I respect his decision.
There are things more important than football after all.
Folding my way into the big money!!!
Ex TD Ruth Coppinger has come out against Lennon
Neil Lennon is favourite to manage Ireland men’s soccer team & has a history of harassment & threats against a woman with whom he was having an affair. Under no circumstances should the #FAI which gets state funds appoint someone like this to such a public role. No role model.
& more :
Sport & politics into the cocktail shaker there.
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Important I think not to dismiss the possibility that Carsley would love to manage Ireland but wants to be paid what he thinks he's worth and might not necessarily want to work for the FAI as it exists.
It's not reasonable in this day-and-age to insist on an Ireland based manager. If that's the FAI's stance, our eventual manager will be of a much lower quality than might have been otherwise.
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Salary may not be the only blocker or may be a blocker alongside others i.e. backroom team, frequency of visits to Ireland, responsibility over other layers in the overall system. Items like these may also be having an impact on his decision.
Marc Canham has a "Director of Football" role and they have made it clear that the role is a "Head Coach" role with other responsibilities. What if he doesn't think Canham is any use and can't work as Head Coach, gain clarity on the other responsibilities and wrap his head around where his success begins and Canham's ends?
John Fallon in today's Examiner:
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/...-41320303.html
Lee Carsley was identified as the most suitable person for the post but discussions with the England U21 manager haven't so far reached a satisfactory outcome.
It’s understood that time will be devoted to the reasons for this blockage, which is considered retrievable rather than a flat refusal.
So is Carsely still in the game?
If Examiner is correct, yes. My instinctive view is that he's still a runner.
Ralph Hasenhüttl was suggested by Second Captains on Twitter earlier, just to stir debate.
Ralph H. Would be amazing
The events of the last week are a fascinating insight into the malaise of modern journalism, the piggy back nature of it and the need for content correct or not.
I love him again!!
If Carsley was out of the running and the FAI were going to their back up option I'd be fairly certain that they would do that today at the board meeting and it would be announced that they have their man. The fact that they havent shows the Carsley deal isnt dead.
Grafter is 100% right that all the stories of recent days seemed to piggyback the Daily Mail story. Even the bookies reacted to that story. Similarly they all jumped on board a day earlier when someone reported that it was a done deal.
Throughout the entire process there have been no leaks from the FAI, and thats a credit to them. The only time there were any leaks of any relevant nature were when Carsley was supposedly talking to clubs. That happened at a stage when the process seemed to be dragging out and I speculated at the time that it was Carsleys camp trying to force the issue a little. Isnt it funny how he hasnt been linked with a single club ever since that 2 week period when he was linked with about 5.
Its not unusual for any potential employee who is head hunted to bargain hard. If a company wants you, you make sure that you get then to offer you everything you want before you accept the job, once you are in its much harder to get those things from the employer. Carsley is an admistrator too. He was Professional Development Phase lead for the FA before becoming U21 manager. Similarly he was head of Youth Development at Man City, so he is used to doing things his own way. He would want full control of his staff and be very clear about his role and responsibilities before accepting the Ireland job and Im sure he doesnt want any interference from Packie Bonner and his ilk.
I've been confident all along, even doubled down in the bookies when the odds shot up, and I think by this time next week we'll have clarity.
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Its really not that complicated!!!
Would have to think the public/supporter backlash against Lennon hasn't gone unnoticed as well. Especially when they see political figures getting involved in the debate in terms of women's rights issues etc., that's got to be giving them second thoughts about going down that road and how it might impact on their own positions if Lennon's personal life became a national issue.
FAI give update on Ireland manager search after Abbotstown meeting – via https://www.independent.ie/sport/soc...804178514.html
"Despite strong reports from across the water that England U-21 boss Lee Carsley is out of the running, it’s understood that he remains a key figure in the FAI’s thinking. They met Neil Lennon last week and the Armagh native reiterated his interest in another punditry appearance while the board meeting was taking place but the extending of the process does not appear to be a positive for his prospects given his clear availability."
So, its Lennon then (wink wink)
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