They aren't his strengths though. Here's a highlights reel to September.Originally Posted by irishfan86
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I think Big Sam has enough to work with there, to turn Evan in to a Big Man up front ! !
Jesus I couldnt imagine anything worse than just hoofing the ball constantly to Ferguson. Ferguson is a good enough footballer that Brighton play him as a 10 sometimes, and we are suggesting a "just get it up to the big man" policy.... We have a Rolls Royce in Evan and Allardyce would treat him like Massey Ferguson
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Its really not that complicated!!!
Allardyce, Mowbray and Rowlett are all in the same mould as Chris Hughton - solid defensively and play to your strengths. Mowbray and Rowlett are effectively a poor man's version of Chris Hughton - good managerial careers without the experience in the PL or at international level. Allardyce is a different kettle of fish - he has vast experience in the PL - knows how to get the best out of a team. He is the one name that has come up that has a better track record than Chris Hughton - and he would have managed bigger clubs if it weren't for his alleged association with dodgy money stuff. The only question over Allardyce is whether he still has the stomach for management and would make the effort, rather than just collecting a pay cheque (and it would still be a question about how much he would expect to be paid).
He's going to know this isn't a payer, everyone knows the FAI are skint, yet he put his hat in the ring anyway. I think for him it might be about wanting to do well in an international job right under England's nose & that would be the motivation here, he was linked before too. For us it would effectively be an abandonment of the post MON / Mick II principles entirely, because one appointment did not work. So it's going to be interesting to see where the decision makers heads are at on this as he as good as said it'd be a rudimentary approach.
What became increasingly obvious to me during Kenny's reign was the fact that there needs to be a level of practicality when it comes to a team with the quality of ours. A manager who can be flexible in his approach to squad management and game management based on the opposition. We never saw that from Kenny. He became welded to his well intended and preferred ideology at times when it simply was not practical. Rather than looking for the person who can take the next natural step in a shifted game philosophy, I would be looking for it to be someone who can take the best of what Kenny introduced, but not stick on it, instead bring some additional ideas and approaches to be implemented for various games - and then manage the game itself. The same issues we saw in Bulgaria on day 1, we were still seeing against Greece. Quick switch of side of play leaves us massively exposed. The long goal issue never really got addressed.
I think any of the managers on the current list, Sam Allardyce included, would be an improvement in results (which we now know matters most to a large section of fans) and will likely also tick a few of the other boxes above. None will be perfect.
Saying he's interested doesn't really pose any downside for him. He lets the market know he's open to work and maybe a benefactor comes forward willing to stump up his wages - that isn't beyond the realms of possibility given that he is a former England manager with a plethora of Premiership clubs on his CV.
What exactly did Kenny introduce into our play? Was it the ambition to play a more progressive passing game that was wrong, or was it his inability to actually implement that ambition? I think he lacked the coaching and tactical ability to match his so-called philosophy. There are teams with similar playing resources to ourselves who pass more progressively, retain possession more efficiently and create more chances. Organisation doesn't mean reverting exclusively to a long ball approach. The biggest issue when watching Ireland is not the lack of technical ability, its the lack of movement, the slow ponderous tempo, the absence of passing options - the complete lack of a tactical plan and structure. This was only occasionally resolved when we had more experienced and competent coaches working with Kenny.
Allardyce strikes me as a manager who needs to work day in and day out with his players to get the best out of them in a system he devises.
Eileen Gleeson should be considered ~ ~ Considering her recent results.
^Uninspiring waffle. Thanks, but no thanks, Sambo. Next!If you're playing a team that is so much better than you,
it will be about limited possession you've got
and how good is the defending
to try and get the ability to
score a goal and
win a game of football.
Well we might get a manager that knows our best X1. Kenny didn't
Folding my way into the big money!!!
I agree. I’ll add another observation in there - as a person, it seemed like the job was way too big for him. While the passion was there, it seemed more of a stressor than something he was able to take in his stride. I don’t know how that would have translated pre game, half time, post game, in front of the squad.
Back to your main points, it has to be about his in-game ability, where any manager actually earns his/her money. I’ll give Doherty and others the benefit of the doubt that preparation and training were of high quality in terms of his game “philosophy” and oppo analysis but it counts for nothing when it’s 1 v 1 as a manager and your plan is failing on the pitch and you cannot adjust. Reminds me of the Mike Tyson quote - “everyone’s got a plan till they get punched in the face” - Kenny lost every bout (campaign), only landing a couple of jabs.
Maybe it’s true that there aren’t really (m)any gimmes in international football anymore and, if so, it proved to be a pretty unforgiving environment for a manager of Kenny’s ability.
Last edited by SkStu; 06/12/2023 at 11:43 AM.
It shouldn't be overlooked that Sam also played and managed in the LOI, he even manned the collection buckets. Could he maybe harbour a soft spot for Irish football, it did start him off on his long managerial career.
Or, maybe it was the bucket.
At least Sam will be endeavouring to, Not kick the bucket !
Hang on a minute...What's Marcelo Bielsa up to these days?
He's the Uruguay manager.
Can bet that Big Sam was dipping his hand into the bucket for a few quid.
I'm deeply offended...
Yeah, there's an image we could have done without!!
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