Palestinian Israeli Conflict.

[CraftyToePoke]

Support for Israel will reduce weapons for Ukraine - that is what's being said here in America. And that is ok with many people here as the billions of US tax payer dollars being sent to Ukraine are viewed as single handedly funding the war there. People feel there are a multitude of problems in America which the money could be spent on instead.

But wherever they are sending it won't be spent on American problems if its being sent abroad. Money or aid or weaponry by definition, is unavailable to American citizens if its sent to Ukraine or Israel or Ballyhaunis itself.

[CraftyToePoke]

So what is people's read on here of the IDF massed troops delay on the edge of Gaza which is now into week three ?

They will know who / where and how etc, this isn't something they wouldn't have planned for. They can pound the place from the air any old day, they know it at best inconveniences Hamas temporarily only. They have never had more reason, and backing to do as they said they would, but thus far they haven't gone in. I don't think its the hostages because the air strikes endanger those anyway. I see today settlements near Lebanon have been told to evacuate, so are they worried or have they been threatened with a regional backlash & are having to rethink ? Is it Western / EU arm around the shoulder support depending on restraint ?

I saw an Israeli official on BBC just now use the phrase, if and when in relation to the ground offensive.

I think it will still happen, I just wonder if it will be on the scale and duration they would have initially liked it to be & I definitely didn't think over two weeks later it would still be pending.

[pineapple stu]

A slightly different Israel story in the papers today - an Israeli software company in Dublin have fired an Irish employee for making anti-Israel comments on social media. Apparently it generated a backlash from Israeli staff and customers and wasn't seen as inclusive (but of course no mention of Palestinians).

But the company's internal communications was full of political (ie pro-Israel) messages apparently, and even tips from an Israeli advertising agency for staff to tailor their own pro-Israel social media messages. It's a really worrying insight into the cult-like Israeli way of thinking.

Varadkar is encouraging the employee to sue for unfair dismissal. Hopefully the employee realises she's better away from that place. This looks like a story that has legs in it though.

[CraftyToePoke]

They're having a right good tilt at UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres today also, they want him gone too. So what chance would that employee have stood. His speech the one they want him to fall on his sword for, said the events of October 7th although unjustifiable in any way, did not happen in a vacuum.

Pretty accurate, one might have thought but no. Not to Israel.

[John83]

I think that's shameful. When they reduce the dialogue to supporting them unequivocably - to the point of sycophancy - or they'll try to get you fired, that should be resisted on principle.

[dahamsta]

The Israeli government is extremely aggressive in their words and actions, it clearly rubs off on their people.

[Trequartista20]

You go into a lot of detail about the horrible situation currently going on in Gaza. And I like you abhor the loss of life of innocent people particularly children. But it has to be said that at one point on the morning of October 7 there was peace and quiet and even music in the air in the region. But then the rockets started flying and the machine guns started firing. If those things had not happened we would not be having this conversation right now.

You seek to condemn the oppressed for resisting their genocidal destruction?

There is never peace in the occupied Palestine. Their people face daily violence, death and humiliation.

[Trequartista20]

Hamas should ‘go to Ireland or deserts’ and using nuclear bomb on Gaza an option, says Israel minister:

An Israeli minister has said Hamas should ‘go to Ireland or the deserts’ and that dropping a nuclear bomb on Gaza is an option, as the Israel-Hamas war enters its fifth week.

Heritage minister Amichai Eliyahu of the Otzma Yehudit party is quoted by the Times of Israel as saying in an interview that the Palestinian people “can go to Ireland or deserts, the monsters in Gaza should find a solution by themselves”, adding that those who wave a Palestinian or Hamas flag “shouldn’t continue living on the face of the earth”.

It quotes him saying that dropping a nuclear bomb on the Gaza Strip “is one of the possibilities”, and that humanitarian aid to the population should be restricted, saying “we wouldn’t hand the Nazis humanitarian aid. There is no such thing as uninvolved civilians in Gaza

https://www.irishtimes.com/world/mid...rael-minister/

[seanfhear]

Pretty obvious that Israel would very easily Nuke all of its enemies if it felt threatened enough.

[samhaydenjr]

Hamas should ‘go to Ireland or deserts’ and using nuclear bomb on Gaza an option, says Israel minister:



https://www.irishtimes.com/world/mid...rael-minister/

Now in this charming echo of our history, is Ireland Hell or Connacht?

And speaking of dumb verbal contributions to this horrible conflict... James McClean. Posted Sinn Fein's call for the Israeli ambassador to be removed from office and added "Kick him Out!... In fact, volley the p***k out!"... Israel's ambassador to Ireland, Dana Erlich, is a woman.

https://www.balls.ie/football/james-...lestine-576910

[CraftyToePoke]

About a month away from it bring a year since the last post on this thread & Bidens very public early summer big push for peace ending in an overall settlement in the region has instead seen Israel blasting Beirut this weekend, because razing Gaza was obviously just a warm up. Done with largely US weapons & without bothering to give the Americans a heads up.

The, We Stand With Israel merchants all round Europe are on a different page now & looking a bit daft & Bidens administration, well has Washington ever looked weaker in its special relationship with Israel ? Seemingly not an ounce of influence over Netanyahu.

I said early on in this thread I felt the initial show of support for Israel was because the world was scared of what Israel would do next.

[seanfhear]

About a month away from it bring a year since the last post on this thread & Bidens very public early summer big push for peace ending in an overall settlement in the region has instead seen Israel blasting Beirut this weekend, because razing Gaza was obviously just a warm up. Done with largely US weapons & without bothering to give the Americans a heads up.

The, We Stand With Israel merchants all round Europe are on a different page now & looking a bit daft & Bidens administration, well has Washington ever looked weaker in its special relationship with Israel ? Seemingly not an ounce of influence over Netanyahu.

I said early on in this thread I felt the initial show of support for Israel was because the world was scared of what Israel would do next.

If you have America's backing you can do as you please.

[John83]

I don't see their endgame here. A decade or three from now, or a century, or two, or however many it takes, they're getting driven into the sea. No moral judgement there (that's another conversation), but some day the US will be weak or distracted and Israel won't have the teeth to keep the wolves from the door. You can't fight everyone forever, surely, and they're not exactly courting other outcomes.

[seanfhear]

I don't see their endgame here. A decade or three from now, or a century, or two, or however many it takes, they're getting driven into the sea. No moral judgement there (that's another conversation), but some day the US will be weak or distracted and Israel won't have the teeth to keep the wolves from the door. You can't fight everyone forever, surely, and they're not exactly courting other outcomes.

Maybe ~ They intend to annihilate all of their enemies now ( or certainly a lot of them )

From the Israeli's point of view ~ Now is the time to do it.

[CraftyToePoke]

How many Irish did Britain imprison, inter, deport, starve, execute, collude to murder ? Did it work? It just grew back more determined.

[seanfhear]

How many Irish did Britain imprison, inter, deport, starve, execute, collude to murder ? Did it work? It just grew back more determined.

Perhaps ~ The Israeli's are going to make sure that they kill enough to put a stop to that sort of thing ~ Maybe they are just beginning ~ ~ They can do as they please as they have the backing of America.

[dahamsta]

Russia is emboldening them, IMHO. They see Putin getting away with literal murder and fancy their chances. They want a war, just like Russia, and they don't care if they drag the rest of us into it.

[joey B]

Hard to disagree with this from Jordan's foreign minister, perpetual war is all the fanatical government in Israel want and offer, zero solutions to any of it.....

[sbgawa]

If Iran and its mullahs are on one side its easy enough for me to side with a democratic Israel. Can't remember the last time an Israeli suicide Bomber blew up a concert or bus.
That being said its pointless as unless they kill every last Palestinian/ Arab they are only killing x number to be replaced by the next lot.
It's as close to a no possible solution as there is. At least ourselves and the Brits when we are at it had enough in common that in the end we could live together....hard to see that ever happening in the middle east.

[nigel-harps1954]

If Iran and its mullahs are on one side its easy enough for me to side with a democratic Israel. Can't remember the last time an Israeli suicide Bomber blew up a concert or bus.
That being said its pointless as unless they kill every last Palestinian/ Arab they are only killing x number to be replaced by the next lot.

No harm, but this is an utterly mental opinion.