Palestinian Israeli Conflict.

[osarusan]

When your pals talk about Palistine being free from the River to the Sea do you think they are talking about a peaceful transition, they repeatedly call for death to all jews and arent even embarressed about saying it, id combine that with Oct 7th and say they Want to commit genocide but cant do it compared to the ISraelis who could do it at the push of a nuclear button but dont.

Are you aware that Netenyahu has used the same expression - he says Israel will control from the river to the sea?

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Thursday rejected the premise of a Palestinian state and promised that Israel will take over the entire region it currently occupies, “from the river to the sea,” according to an English translation on the Israeli news channel i24NEWS.

https://newrepublic.com/post/178243/...ver-to-the-sea

Add this statement of intent to their killing of so many Palestinians, and their systematic destruction of infrastructure, such as universities:

According to an NBC News analysis of more than 60 videos and photos, and interviews with university administrators, professors, students and experts, at least five of Gaza’s seven major universities have been destroyed or partially damaged since Israel launched its offensive following Hamas’ Oct. 7 terror attacks

https://www.nbcnews.com/specials/gaz...war/index.html

and schools:

More than 80% of Gaza’s schools have been severely damaged or destroyed by fighting, according to the United Nations

and health care:

The World Health Organization says only about 12 of Gaza’s 36 hospitals are still able to function, although a total of 29 have suffered damage during the conflict. In all, 84% of health facilities are damaged or destroyed.

https://www.npr.org/2024/06/01/g-s1-...ools-hospitals

How do you interpret Netenyahu's comments? Is he talking about a peaceful transition?

[sbgawa]

I judge him by his actions tbh and if he wanted to obilterate the Palistinians he could but he hasnt.
I would say by control he means stop the launching of missiles not obliterating the Palistinians as he hasnt done that.
I dont know why you are quoting schools , hospitals etc to me its wrong end of story and ive said it repeatedly, if you quoted me instead iranian missile launches or Hamas on October 7th id say that was wrong as well. I assume we would agree on that.

I still believe that he should stop becasue i just cant see an endgame other than he is creating the next generation of fighters in the same manner as the Brits did here.

[Acornvilla]

Lord I am back because I can't stop reading this and it is really bothering me.

He won't stop until someone stops him. I wonder who that reminds me of? You're really fixated on the number of innocent people being murdered for being the wrong race/religion, and not that it's literally happening before our eyes and that Israel show no signs of stopping, if anything they're expanding operations, it's almost as if they're behaving like Nazi's did, while they were being Nazi's. The only difference is Israel as a military are only as strong as their enablers, so Netanyahu is trying to do just enough genocide that the US and others won't cut off his supply, he can't go as big as he wants to, because that wouldn't be politically expedient, so he's doing it bit by bit instead, are you seriously not able to comprehend this?

You can't be like, well they killed 6 million people by the end, so that's a Nazi, but these IDF people are only getting started, so I'm going to need to see more bodies before I'm convinced. The ancestors of the victims of probably the greatest crime against humanity in history are on the front lines leading the next one, well done to them. And they've been doing it for the guts of a century, Oct 7th was a perfect excuse to overreact and wipe Palestine out, that is their plan, that is ethnic cleansing/genocide, whatever you want to call it, there is no excuse for it. Oct 7th is not an excuse to wipe out a nation no matter how awful what happened was. And for the love of God this didn't start a year ago, Israel has been murdering, imprisoning and displacing people since before any of us were born. Hamas are *******s, they also didn't appear in a vacuum. You can give the IDF's Nazism a new name if it makes you feel better.

It's a waste of time trying to talk about it any more from what I can see, this is willful ignorance at best, I can not get my head around how hard you are trying to not understand the point literally everyone else is making to you.

[John83]

I think it's worth remembering that sometimes you don't win an argument on the internet by convincing the other guy he's wrong. You just let any lurkers come to that conclusion and withdraw for your own sanity.

[sbgawa]

Lord I am back because I can't stop reading this and it is really bothering me.

He won't stop until someone stops him. I wonder who that reminds me of? You're really fixated on the number of innocent people being murdered for being the wrong race/religion, and not that it's literally happening before our eyes and that Israel show no signs of stopping, if anything they're expanding operations, it's almost as if they're behaving like Nazi's did, while they were being Nazi's. The only difference is Israel as a military are only as strong as their enablers, so Netanyahu is trying to do just enough genocide that the US and others won't cut off his supply, he can't go as big as he wants to, because that wouldn't be politically expedient, so he's doing it bit by bit instead, are you seriously not able to comprehend this?

You can't be like, well they killed 6 million people by the end, so that's a Nazi, but these IDF people are only getting started, so I'm going to need to see more bodies before I'm convinced. The ancestors of the victims of probably the greatest crime against humanity in history are on the front lines leading the next one, well done to them. And they've been doing it for the guts of a century, Oct 7th was a perfect excuse to overreact and wipe Palestine out, that is their plan, that is ethnic cleansing/genocide, whatever you want to call it, there is no excuse for it. Oct 7th is not an excuse to wipe out a nation no matter how awful what happened was. And for the love of God this didn't start a year ago, Israel has been murdering, imprisoning and displacing people since before any of us were born. Hamas are *******s, they also didn't appear in a vacuum. You can give the IDF's Nazism a new name if it makes you feel better.

It's a waste of time trying to talk about it any more from what I can see, this is willful ignorance at best, I can not get my head around how hard you are trying to not understand the point literally everyone else is making to you.

If you are right about the bit in bold ill happily come on here and call them Nazis.
In the meantime ill agree to disagree without insulting you abouit wilful ignorance just because you disagree with me.
Good point by John83 also.

[joey B]

I see the Western values from Israel have moved on to shooting UN peacekeepers again ,should be treated as a complete pariah state…

[Acornvilla]

I've seen people in makeshift hospital beds on fire today, how horrific and depraved does this need to be before something actually changes?

Allowing US military to use Shannon is a shame on our own nation

[Neish]

Perhaps youve missunderstood me rather than deliberatly quoting me out of context.

Those comments were me saying that while i condemn violence on both sides and do not and can not justify it i believe that of the two sides i prefer Israel.
They dont hate us and our western values around minorities and Woman unlike the other side of Mad Mullahs and Dictators and that kind of seals it for me
You can support people without liking approving or justifying everything they do.

That Hamas you're referring to and yes they deserve to be wiped out, but Israel isn't wiping them out they are wiping out the Palestinian people . Very little they have done in the last year has Put any real dent in Hamas's ability to launch missiles into Israel(vast majority of which to minimal if any damage)

Not all of the Palestinian people share Hamas ideology(not even a majority I'd say) they got voted in after Isreal's use of collective punishment on the peoples of Gaza and the West Bank. I also add listen to some of the far right Israelis many living in illegal settlements on stolen land, you hear from them much of what your condemning the other side for.

The Western values you speak of, saw the stealing of Palestinian land and making their families refugees in a land their families lived on for centuries & continued funding of the State of Israel which created a apartheid state and the striping of right, cutting off of medical, water, electric supplies.

Same Western values has been witnessed by many people of the Middle east as supporting tyrannical dictators and governments , mass murder, public execution , millions simply gone missing all ignored by those supposed bastions of freedom in exchange for access to oil and other resources

[pineapple stu]

Online Israeli AI bots encourage direct attacks on Irish peacekeeping forces in Lebanon.

This is all perfectly normal and relatable.

The Wix scandal last year showed how Israelis and Israeli companies actively used social media to spread disinformation and emphasise how they were similar to the West while the nasty Muslims were, well, nasty Muslims. (I think an Embassy account was even banned from here)

A nasty, nasty country with pretty much no redeeming features. And as for their supporters in America -

Last month, former White House adviser Matthew Brodsky tweeted that “Israel should carpet bomb the Irish area and then drop napalm over it”.

In another post, he said: “I hope everyone of those POS Irishmen are blasted to bits.” He has since resigned from his role as an adviser to a Republican candidate for congress.

[John83]

Jesus. I didn't think the Republicans had a line you can't cross any more.

[CraftyToePoke]

ICC Arrest Warrant for Netanyahu & Gallant.
Criminally responsible for crimes against humanity & war crimes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly2exvx944o

[joey B]

America’s descent into rogue state status continues,Lindsey Graham a complete scumbag …..

[joey B]

Fair play to Israel for staying right on brand and responding to Syrians freeing themselves of Assad by invading Syria a bit more to create a buffer zone for the buffer zone! and bombing the s**t out of them ….

[seanfhear]

Fair play to Israel for staying right on brand and responding to Syrians freeing themselves of Assad by invading Syria a bit more to create a buffer zone for the buffer zone! and bombing the s**t out of them ….

They are consistent ~ Then it is easy to be consistent when you have America's consistent backing !

[osarusan]

Israel closing their embassy in Dublin. Very petulant.

[dahamsta]

Good riddance.

[Neish]

Ceasefire deal agreed. Its great for the people of Gaza but I can't help thinking Nethanyahu & the Israeli state will just wait for the Trump admin to get up and running them look for any minuscule infraction on the deal to restart the onslaught

[pineapple stu]

Well - not quite yet...

Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu has accused Hamas of backtracking on the ceasefire deal and stated that his Cabinet will not meet to approve the agreement until the group backs down from what his office called a “last-minute crisis”.

But yeah - I'm not sure what's going to be so different this time around alright

[John83]

I heard this discussed on radio on the way into work this morning - RTE one, I think - that Israeli bombing since they agreed the ceasefire has killed 70 Palestinians. The ceasefire is supposed to come into effect on Sunday. They also discribed the disagreement as Palestine wants to name which Palestinian prisoners get released in the quid pro quo, and Israel doesn't agree to that.

[The Fly]

Ceasefire deal agreed. Its great for the people of Gaza but I can't help thinking Nethanyahu & the Israeli state will just wait for the Trump admin to get up and running them look for any minuscule infraction on the deal to restart the onslaught

The incoming Trump presidency is probably the main reason or factor for why a ceasefire has been agreed at this point.