Palestinian Israeli Conflict.

[John83]

It was a complement, in the form of a reference to a 200 year old poem. Yeah, I don't know what he was thinking either.

[Razors left peg]

It was a complement, in the form of a reference to a 200 year old poem. Yeah, I don't know what he was thinking either.

I got the poem part... complement I'm not so sure?

[seanfhear]

If Winter comes, can Spring be far behind?

Is Spring behind or in-front though ? !

[Neish]

Hamas for what-ever reasons did not have the intelligence to Not go too far ! ~ ~ I could have told you what would happen to, GAZA / Palestinian Cause, as soon as October 7th happened.

It may Not be very nice to have an understanding of these things, and the way they will play out ~ But reality is reality all the same !

We all agree Hamas are fanatical murderous scum (well anybody with a reasonable mind does) so yes there you are correct but your reason otherwise is ludicrous .

You're using both the IRA and October 7th well Israel's response to October 7th is the equivalent to the British establishment having bombed the bogside are of Derry then cut off, medical supplies, water & electric, internet access and blocked free movement of the people of that area in response to the Warrenpoint ambush

[SkStu]

I got the poem part... complement I'm not so sure?

Stalking is kind of a compliment if you think about it.

[seanfhear]

We all agree Hamas are fanatical murderous scum (well anybody with a reasonable mind does) so yes there you are correct but your reason otherwise is ludicrous .

You're using both the IRA and October 7th well Israel's response to October 7th is the equivalent to the British establishment having bombed the bogside are of Derry then cut off, medical supplies, water & electric, internet access and blocked free movement of the people of that area in response to the Warrenpoint ambush

There would have been some British quite in favour of doing that !

[Razors left peg]

There would have been some British quite in favour of doing that !

It wouldn't have made it right though Sean, just like there's no excuse for what Israel are doing now

[SkStu]

I find this a really interesting development...

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g71lk09npo

Hundreds of people have taken part in the largest anti-Hamas protest in Gaza since the war with Israel began, taking to the streets to demand the group step down from power.

Masked Hamas militants, some armed with guns and others carrying batons, intervened and forcibly dispersed the protesters, assaulting several of them.

Videos shared widely on social media by activists typically critical of Hamas showed young men marching through the streets of Beit Lahia, northern Gaza on Tuesday, chanting "out, out, out, Hamas out".

[Neish]

I find this a really interesting development...

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g71lk09npo

This is good to see but unless Israel makes a significant change to the brutal way they treat the Palestinian then the only thing replacing Hamas will be groups every bit if not more extreme

[osarusan]

Louis Theroux's new documentary The Settlers lays bare the combination of deluded divine belief in superiority and maniacal hatred of Palestinians that has fuelled Israeli settlement of Palestinian land.

[Neish]

Louis Theroux's new documentary The Settlers lays bare the combination of deluded divine belief in superiority and maniacal hatred of Palestinians that has fuelled Israeli settlement of Palestinian land.

Great documentary, that Daneilla Weiss told was truly hideous saying its normal to only care for "you own people" and not others

[Neish]

Louis Theroux's new documentary The Settlers lays bare the combination of deluded divine belief in superiority and maniacal hatred of Palestinians that has fuelled Israeli settlement of Palestinian land.

Just noticed this is being repeated on BBC2 at 11:30pm tonight

[Razors left peg]

The back lash from Kneecaps performance at Coachella has been something else. The focus on trying to censor them instead of addressing the genocide that Kneecap are trying to highlight is a symptom of how fcuked up the media has become.

[SkStu]

Overall I agree. The campaign against them to cancel and punish is concerted and obvious and misses the real and correct message they are trying to portray. And it’s frightening how quick so many in the media lined up to essentially defend Israel.

But I don’t think they’ve (incl DanL) actually handled the backlash that well. This thing about taking comments out of context doesn’t wash with me. There’s no real alternative acceptable context to “Up Hamas/Hezbollah” and “The only good Tory is a dead Tory/kill your local MP”. They’d have been better off saying it was “heat of the moment and regretful and not what we believe but the real issue is…” or totally doubling down on what they truly believe and their NI experience. I’d happily buy into either.

[osarusan]

Absolutely, there's an attempt to drag up any muck that could be found.

The problem is that those doing the digging found some pretty ugly muck.

[Razors left peg]

Overall I agree. The campaign against them to cancel and punish is concerted and obvious and misses the real and correct message they are trying to portray. And it’s frightening how quick so many in the media lined up to essentially defend Israel.

But I don’t think they’ve (incl DanL) actually handled the backlash that well. This thing about taking comments out of context doesn’t wash with me. There’s no real alternative acceptable context to “Up Hamas/Hezbollah” and “The only good Tory is a dead Tory/kill your local MP”. They’d have been better off saying it was “heat of the moment and regretful and not what we believe but the real issue is…” or totally doubling down on what they truly believe and their NI experience. I’d happily buy into either.

Is it really any different to the Wolfe Tones singing Up The Ra?

I was at the gig in Coachella, they had the whole crowd chanting Free Free Palestine. Thats the message that should be focused on, not trying to dig through everything that they've said in the past. Probably not a great look chanting Up Hamas, but Id rather that right now than the message that Israel can get away with murdering innocents on a mass scale.

[KevinJBarry]

Is it really any different to the Wolfe Tones singing Up The Ra?

I was at the gig in Coachella, they had the whole crowd chanting Free Free Palestine. Thats the message that should be focused on, not trying to dig through everything that they've said in the past. Probably not a great look chanting Up Hamas, but Id rather that right now than the message that Israel can get away with murdering innocents on a mass scale.

No , the wolfetones should be cancelled too

[Razors left peg]

No , the wolfetones should be cancelled too

Its been tried!

[SkStu]

As I said, I actually agree with you. But you live by the sword, you die by the sword. They’ve used their platform to put themselves in the middle of a political/humanitarian issue and all I’m saying is i don’t think they’ve actually handled the backlash well. Their defense is mixed messaging at best (which they’ve engaged in before) and it’s not serving them well. Come clean, apologize for the past comments and then make your point. It’s what I think would land best. That’s all.

And I think it’s a little different to Up the Ra. Not for you and I maybe but for anyone who was murdered by the IRA it is offensive. Declan Rice, Irish ladies etc all more recent than the Wolfe Tones - and there was backlash, albeit more muted and it passed quickly which suggests it is seen as different by the general public and more in the past.

Anyway, not looking to get you all riled up on this. We’re on the same page overall, I just wish they’d pick a ditch and would’ve handled it differently.

[Neish]

Overall I agree. The campaign against them to cancel and punish is concerted and obvious and misses the real and correct message they are trying to portray. And it’s frightening how quick so many in the media lined up to essentially defend Israel.

But I don’t think they’ve (incl DanL) actually handled the backlash that well. This thing about taking comments out of context doesn’t wash with me. There’s no real alternative acceptable context to “Up Hamas/Hezbollah” and “The only good Tory is a dead Tory/kill your local MP”. They’d have been better off saying it was “heat of the moment and regretful and not what we believe but the real issue is…” or totally doubling down on what they truly believe and their NI experience. I’d happily buy into either.

Agree it was a rather stupid comment to make when they know the spotlight is on them.

In saying that I do find it quite ridiculous how the media are so focused on a couple throw away comments made by members of a musical group, yet more or less completely ignore countless much. much more vile comment being constantly made by prominent Israeli political & military figures