Article on the current gap between the two clubs here - http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/39688091
Article on the current gap between the two clubs here - http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/39688091
Still might not stop Rangers making a go of it in the next game. The second half of the cup game saw them create a number of chances which on another day might have gone in but admittedly Celtic were 2-0 up at that stage. From Brown's comments after the game it was clear that the message Rodgers had conveyed to the players was "you are a better side and the only thing which will beat you is your attitude" (i.e. bring your A game and you'll win).
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
Rangers fans are disgusted by the rumoured possibility of their team giving champions Celtic a guard of honour at Ibrox this weekend, ha: http://www.talkingbaws.com/2017/04/r...nour-at-ibrox/
Whilst they're all a bit jumpy. I find it a bit OTT to be giving guards of honour at EVERY game. Jesus. Surely the one after they have one the league is enough. And even then I think they're naff.
It's up there with a former player not celebrating after scoring a goal. Gack.
DID YOU NOTICE A SIGN OUTSIDE MY HOUSE...?
So, in the spirit of actually contributing and being a team player in this project, I took this on myself.
I looked at all the semi's going back to 1873/74 and identified the number of occasions that both Celtic and Rangers had been in the semi-finals...
They have been in the semi finals only 33 times in that period, including the most recent game - 143 seasons - although Celtic were only founded in 1887 (Rangers 1872). So there have only been 130 seasons that this could have happened. 33/130 = just over 25% of times, both teams have appeared in the semis at the same time.
Of those 33 occasions, Celtic and Rangers were drawn to meet in the semis 10 times - as we have established (not including replays).
1891/92 (Celtic won)
1899/00 (Celtic won - replay)
1904/05 (Rangers won - match abandoned)
1924/25 (Celtic won)
1959/60 (Rangers won)
1991/92 (Rangers won)
1995/96 (Rangers won)
1997/98 (Rangers won)
2015/16 (Rangers won - penalties)
2016/17 (Celtic won)
Of the 23 other occasions that they had the opportunity to meet, 9 times they did not meet and 14 times they did not meet but met in the final.
1893/94 - didn't meet in semis but met in final (Rangers 3 - Celtic 1)
1898/99 - didn't meet in semis but met in final (Rangers 0 - Celtic 2)
1901/02 - didn't meet in semis.
1903/04 - didn't meet in semis but met in final (Rangers 2 - Celtic 3)
1925/26 - didn't meet in semis.
1927/28 - didn't meet in semis but met in final (Rangers 4 - Celtic 0)
1928/29 - didn't meet in semis.
1947/48 - didn't meet in semis.
1953/54 - didn't meet in semis.
1961/62 - didn't meet in semis.
1962/63 - didn't meet in semis but met in final (Rangers 3 - Celtic 0 after replay)
1965/66 - didn't meet in semis but met in final (Rangers 1 - Celtic 0 after replay)
1968/69 - didn't meet in semis but met in final (Rangers 0 - Celtic 4)
1970/71 - didn't meet in semis but met in final (Rangers 1 - Celtic 2 after replay)
1971/72 - didn't meet in semis.
1972/73 - didn't meet in semis but met in final (Rangers 3 - Celtic 2)
1976/77 - didn't meet in semis but met in final (Rangers 0 - Celtic 1)
1979/80 - didn't meet in semis but met in final (Rangers 0 - Celtic 1)
1980/81 - didn't meet in semis.
1982/83 - didn't meet in semis.
1988/89 - didn't meet in semis but met in final (Rangers 0 - Celtic 1)
1998/99 - didn't meet in semis but met in final (Rangers 1 - Celtic 0)
2001/02 - didn't meet in semis but met in final (Rangers 3 - Celtic 2)
In those 14 games where they met in the final, Rangers hold the edge 8-6 in terms of head to head. In the semi-finals where they did meet, Rangers also hold the edge 6-4. In terms of total cup wins, however, Celtic hold the edge with 36 to Rangers' 33 cup wins.
Interesting things, only 4 times in the 90's did they both get to final 4 and only once in the 00's and 2 so far in the 10's. 7 times in 27 seasons. That seems a remarkably small number of times in such a period of dominance for both albeit one has always been more dominant than the other for long stretches in those decades. Having said that, it matches the frequency throughout the 130 years.
Also, even though they were kept apart 23 out of 33 times, the pattern and years that this occurred doesn't suggest that my warm balls/cold balls theory holds any merit.
My biggest learning over the last hour or so has been that this was a complete waste of time - but I hope some of you fellow geeks find it interesting!!
Great work Stu!
Definitely puts the hot/cold balls theory to bed. In probability terms 1/3 is exactly what you'd expect, isn't it, seeing as they'd have a one in three chance of drawing each other each time.
That is very interesting but begs an obvious question I think - how often did an earlier round meeting between the two clubs prevent the possibility of one or the other making the final four?
I've checked the 27 seasons from the 1990's to 2010's:
2010's - Once
2010-11 5th Round, Rangers 2-2 Celtic, Replay Celtic 1-0 Rangers
2000's - Twice
2004-05 3rd Round, Celtic 2-1 Rangers
2003-04 Q/Final, Celtic 1-0 Rangers
1990's - Three times (a lady... if you include 1989/90 season)
1996-97 Q/Final, Celtic 2-0 Rangers
1990-91 Q/Final, Celtic 2-0 Rangers
1989-90 4th Round, Celtic 1-0 Rangers
So that's six times (in those 27 or maybe 28 seasons) that one or the other couldn't possibly reach the final four, Celtic with an incredibly good record in those games but generally had home advantage. I'll put it back to you now to work out how often this happened pre-1990.
Last edited by DeLorean; 25/04/2017 at 10:00 PM.
Just for you Crafty...
Oh man...tomorrows a write off too so.I'll put it back to you now to work out how often this happened pre-1990.
Actually - I may have to invoke the Sevco proviso if this continues...
We need to get Tets on board and get a few graphs going
"Celtic fans tease Rangers’ James Tavernier over ‘guard of honour’ tweet: http://www.derryjournal.com/sport/fo...weet-1-7933932
Originally Posted by Craig Fowler
Fair play to Rangers today on providing Celtic with a guard of honour at Ibrox for an entire 90 minutes.
Meanwhile, a Rangers fan was caught on camera doing a monkey impression whilst Scott Sinclair celebrated having scored a penalty with his Celtic team-mates in front of said fan: https://twitter.com/ByTheMins/status...326336/video/1
Hard to believe that sort of thing is still going on - or, worse, accepted - in some football grounds.
Considering the amount of rhetoric from the 17th century you'll hear at that dump it's not surprising at all. Really disappointing that Celtic didn't hit double figures in the game cause they certainly had the chances to. Thought it was funny to see stewards 'guarding' the goalposts at the broomloan end at the finish to presumably prevent Griffiths from tying a scarf to a post again !
Without setting Delorian and SkStu off again, apparently the 4 goal win equals Celtic's best victory at Ibrox (apparently a different Ibrox) since 1895.
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
The commentators said it was their first time scoring five at Ibrox anyway. Their previous record 4-0 win came in 1898 according to this.
Some information on the venue here.
They looked well on course for six or seven on Saturday, Rangers can feel slightly relieved at only losing 5-1 again!
The hysteria about the obvious gap between the two clubs is a bit baffling I think. What did people expect when Rangers were hurled into the bottom tier of Scottish football without two shillings to rub together? Two years ago they finished 24 points off the pace that Hearts set in Division One and were beaten 6-1 on aggregate by Motherwell in the playoffs, who had finished second bottom of the SPL. To be back in the SPL and qualifying for Europe is a pretty decent progress really and they'll obviously only get stronger from here on.
McCoist kept reiterating that they need investment and pointed to past million+ signings by way of example. What he didn't mention is that they couldn't afford those signings in the past and they are what got them in this mess. Basically they need a sugar daddy/mammy if they want to close the gap on Celtic and/or for Rodgers to leave and their players to go off to pastures new.
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
At the risk of a huge chomp, I have to comment on this. "Rangers" were not "hurled into the bottom tier... with two shillings to rub together". The new Ibrox club was not demoted, relegated or anything else like it, but Sevco Scotland was granted a football licence and awarded the vacant SFL spot despite having neither the trading history nor the requisite documentation. Having been allowed by a supine SFA to change its trading style to that of the original club, the new entity's CEO then ran a share issue that raised in excess of £20m and then oversaw the spunking of the whole lot and more. A succession of spivs and chancers subsequently found their way to and through the Blue Room while any serious businesspeople were discredited and scared off. And the supporters keep allowing themselves to be fleeced for more.
In short, the new "Rangers" is guilty of the same hubris and sense of entitlement as the old, and due to its profligacy appears to be headed in exactly the same direction. As they say in Scotland, hell mend them.
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