C.P. O'Brien - Good Or Bad Signing

**sadloserkid** · 10/02/2005, 9:24 PM

It's a poll, it was requested, it's simple enough really. Was the return of Colin Patrick O'Brien a good or a bad move by Limerick?

**Westside** · 11/02/2005, 2:55 AM

If this guy keeps the same attitude as last season then it will be big big gamble.But on the other hand if his attitude has changed then who knows.I am sure the guy has the ability its just we saw the wrong side of him last season.NOC obviously knows him and is willing to give him a second chance so as far as us fans go we'll have to accept it whether we like it or not.I doubt he will get away with some of the stunts he pulled last season so basically the ball is in his court to prove to us that he is good enough for Lfc.If he mucks up this time I think, that will be the end of his Eircom League playing career and I'm sure NOC has made him aware of this.

**LFC in Exile** · 11/02/2005, 8:30 AM

Just a thought. Many of the people slagging off Colin P for not passing enough last season are the same people who are saying the Limerick side last season was sh ite. Is that irony?

**sadloserkid** · 11/02/2005, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by LFC in Exile

Just a thought. Many of the people slagging off Colin P for not passing enough last season are the same people who are saying the Limerick side last season was sh ite. Is that irony?

I don't think it is actually. I'm not sure who that's directed at either nto be honest. I've noticed that most of the pro-Can't Pass O'Brien crowd were the harshest critics of last seasons team personally. But even allowing for your point there I think the conclusion is that Can't Pass O'Brien was a massive contributary factor in last seasons debacle. It's not easy starting matches with ten players you know.

**Nempton** · 11/02/2005, 2:28 PM

SLK you better keep an eye on the voting I don't want to see another incident such as what happened in the Ukraine occur here, so just make sure that Willie John can only vote once in favour of CP returning

**jebus** · 11/02/2005, 2:55 PM

Originally Posted by Nempton

SLK you better keep an eye on the voting I don't want to see another incident such as what happened in the Ukraine occur here, so just make sure that Willie John can only vote once in favour of CP returning

Yeah I was thinking that the 7 votes for Cant Pass were from CP, CPs mom, his dad, his dog, Willie John and his parents

**sadloserkid** · 11/02/2005, 2:56 PM

People can only vote once you'll all be pleased to hear.

**jebus** · 11/02/2005, 2:58 PM

Still doesn't discount my theory!

**LFC in Exile** · 11/02/2005, 3:16 PM

I voted yes. I think he is a very good players. Nornally I hate players who display signs of not being committed - but I think last season was such an awful situation it was very difficult for any player to stay committed. It is hard to get "up" for a game when you see you are playing up front with a goalkeeper (I know CP may not have played in those games but you know what I mean). Very few players were fully committed last season - even Limerick born ones.

I don't think he was given a fair crack last season. He was picked on fairly early by a section of the home fans who afterwards were not going to change their mind on him. And when your own fans give you a hard time why would you bother? Time will prove someone right. I hope its me and the other 7 that voted for him.

**sadloserkid** · 11/02/2005, 3:23 PM

Originally Posted by LFC in Exile

Time will prove someone right. I hope its me and the other 7 that voted for him.

I hope so too. But if he's only going to peform when things are rosy I can't imagine he'll ever really succeed. It'll be interesting to see if he can rebuild bridges with his teammates too. It's not just the support that he annoyed after all.

**jebus** · 11/02/2005, 3:25 PM

Originally Posted by LFC in Exile

And when your own fans give you a hard time why would you bother?

To try and prove us wrong perhaps? Every player gets stick at some stage of their career, from Michael Owen to Brendan Markey (nod towards SLK on that one), and the commited players that I'd like to see at the club put their head down, keep on grafting and learn to pass a friggin ball. They also don't turn to one of their own fans and flip him off. To say he had a stinker of an attitude is a big understatement. The man has talent, and I was very impressed when I first saw him, but he needs to learn to pass that ball, and not be such a whinging b!tch about criticism. Plus I wonder hopw many of the returning players will be happy to see him back? Reportedly a lot of them had a problem with Can't Pass last year and where as I love my fotball clubs to resemble soap operas (I am a Sheffield Wednesday fan after all), I think think this is one Lesley Grantham we could do without (nod towards Eastenders on that one)

Originally Posted by LFC in Exile

Time will prove someone right. I hope its me and the other 7 that voted for him.

I hope it is too

**jebus** · 12/02/2005, 1:53 PM

Who are these people voting for Can't Pass? Can't remember one person having a good thing to say about him last year. Me thinks this 'lets not rock the new owner boat' attitude is being taken too far at this stage

**LFC in Exile** · 14/02/2005, 3:39 PM

Originally Posted by jebus

To try and prove us wrong perhaps? Every player gets stick at some stage of their career, from Michael Owen to Brendan Markey (nod towards SLK on that one), and the commited players that I'd like to see at the club put their head down, keep on grafting and learn to pass a friggin ball. They also don't turn to one of their own fans and flip him off. To say he had a stinker of an attitude is a big understatement. The man has talent, and I was very impressed when I first saw him, but he needs to learn to pass that ball, and not be such a whinging b!tch about criticism. Plus I wonder hopw many of the returning players will be happy to see him back?

Yes, every player gets stiock - but I can't really think of one example of a player that received such "stick" (I'd call it abuse) from his own fans and went on to play brilliantly well. Your two examples are of players that got "stick" (again more like abuse - Slk?) from opposing fans. Obviously the incident with JohnD was wrong - but I think it shows the extent to which the relationship had broken down between CP and the Limerick fans.

Of course I think it is important that the fans give him a chance this season as well, and don't get on his back from the off.

**sadloserkid** · 14/02/2005, 8:39 PM

Can't Pass O'Brien made his own bed last year, constantly moaning to his team-mates and referees when things didn't go his own way, refusing to travel to matches. I've disliked Limerick players before (Mannering anybody?) but never criticised the guy while he was on the pitch because he tried.

O'Brien's attitude stank from Day 2 (his debut against Kildare wasn't bad) and it's up to him to prove that he's changed his spots. If I was at matchs this year I wouldn't boo him from the off but I wouldn't fall at his feet and welcome him back either. He left every one of us down last season and it's up to him, not us to build bridges.

**LFC in Exile** · 15/02/2005, 7:42 AM

Originally Posted by sadloserkid

it's up to him, not us to build bridges.

You didn't get a new job working on the peace process recently by any chance?

Do't you SLKthat the best bridges are built from both sides.

**deise deserter** · 16/02/2005, 10:12 AM

LFCIE:
You know that generally I think your level-headed but your posts in this thread are badly informed.

CP got stick because HE ABUSED fans and players all through last season.

The simple fact is that the others in the most part don't want to play with this guy.

I would ask the supermods to check those who are voting "for" in this poll, as I think you could find a number of IP address being the same, or certain new members only appearing to vote in this.

As it is the poll is a joke not reflecting the actual climate in Limerick among fans and players. This form of vote fraud will not engender the new administration to the fans.

**LFC in Exile** · 16/02/2005, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by deise deserter

LFCIE:
You know that generally I think your level-headed but your posts in this thread are badly informed.

CP got stick because HE ABUSED fans and players all through last season.

The simple fact is that the others in the most part don't want to play with this guy.

I would ask the supermods to check those who are voting "for" in this poll, as I think you could find a number of IP address being the same, or certain new members only appearing to vote in this.

As it is the poll is a joke not reflecting the actual climate in Limerick among fans and players. This form of vote fraud will not engender the new administration to the fans.

I'm surprised myself with how close the vote is given the general tenor of the posts about Colin P.

I am not defending or condoning what he did last year - to JohnD or in general on the pitch. I do think though that he got a lot of abuse from the sideline for "not passing" and then it came to the stage where every time he lost the ball there were groans and shouts. Give a dog a bad name.

I just think it was overdone and CP responded with the frustration that everyone felt. I don't know any of the players so I can't dispute your point there. However, there are quite a few new players coming in who won't have any hang up about him. Obviously Colin P didn't rate some of his team mates last year (and the feeling is no doubt mutual) and he is not alone in that if you read this forum.

I just think after taking all this into account, and the fact that he is undoubtedly a talented footballer, he can do a job for us and will score goals for us. I don't expect Limerick fans to be falling at his feet but I would hope that he will be given a chance. Limerick fans have absolutely nothing to lose by giving him a chance to show what he can do in a proper structure.

**deise deserter** · 16/02/2005, 1:15 PM

Good comeback!

Seriously though - he didn't do the job last year, he just didn't score enough.

As a striker for Limerick he failed. I rather see Barry Ryan back playing than him. (And going by the players O'Connor had at the Cork game that's a possibility...)

**jebus** · 16/02/2005, 4:13 PM

I know people think I'm being ultra negative towards the new owners in my posts, and they may have a point, but there are reasons for that (new owner turning his back on a supporter who was trying to have a friendly chat with him at the Cork game being the latest), but I am happy they are on board, and I wish them the best obviously. Can't Pass on the otherhand I don't. I've never been one of these forgive and forget types, especially when it comes to football. I wouldn't accept a player who spits on a club that gave him a chance back to any club I support, regardless of his talent on the football field, be it Limerick, Inter Milan or Sheffield Wednesday (Alan Quinn springs to mind). I hope the man has a stinker of a start to the season, the fans give him the abuse he deserves, and Can't Pass does with he does second best (not passing the ball being the first choice), and turns tail, packs his bags and runs back home. We still haven't heard the reason for his missing the first pre-season game last sunday.

**LFC in Exile** · 17/02/2005, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by jebus

I know people think I'm being ultra negative towards the new owners in my posts, and they may have a point, but there are reasons for that (new owner turning his back on a supporter who was trying to have a friendly chat with him at the Cork game being the latest), but I am happy they are on board, and I wish them the best obviously. Can't Pass on the otherhand I don't. I've never been one of these forgive and forget types, especially when it comes to football. I wouldn't accept a player who spits on a club that gave him a chance back to any club I support, regardless of his talent on the football field, be it Limerick, Inter Milan or Sheffield Wednesday (Alan Quinn springs to mind). I hope the man has a stinker of a start to the season, the fans give him the abuse he deserves, and Can't Pass does with he does second best (not passing the ball being the first choice), and turns tail, packs his bags and runs back home. We still haven't heard the reason for his missing the first pre-season game last sunday.

You're right. Lets give him a trial and the hang him.