€500 fine for St Pats. why bother

[dubman]

Hello all every body, hows it al hanging.

Seeing as Pat's got HIT with a 500 euro fine. I think every club needs to sort out this problem fast. How are we going to get kids and family to games when this crap is going on. Every team have a problem can yo all stop blaming Shams scum or Pats or what ever. Why are they not getting life bans for fighting

[BohDiddley]

I think that has to be remembered when we look at fines.
We're not in a mega rich league and fines would have to be the same for all clubs. If we go down the route of big fines you'll soon see clubs struggling to pay security costs and players wages.
Is that what we really want?

I doubt anyone at St. Patrick's Athletic wanted to see patrons injured, yet they must pick up the cost of a mindless act by some idot.

Incident noted, action taken, move on.

That's a fair point. But it's not as if clubs are being fined every week. Most chairmen could pay a one-off like that out of their walking around money.
I think a possible solution is that clubs are ordered to take action, e.g. a ban, against offenders, or, if they plead that they do not know the identity of the offenders, to show in concrete terms how they plan to avoid a repeat. Then, if they fail to do that, they are hit with a significant fine.
That way, we are more likely to achieve the result we want, without financially hurting clubs, unless they are really asking for it.

[wws]

I think that has to be remembered when we look at fines.
We're not in a mega rich league and fines would have to be the same for all clubs. If we go down the route of big fines you'll soon see clubs struggling to pay security costs and players wages.
Is that what we really want?

I doubt anyone at St. Patrick's Athletic wanted to see patrons injured, yet they must pick up the cost of a mindless act by some idot.

Incident noted, action taken, move on.

well said Peadar, no one is píssed off with that stone throwing more than me but in a crowd of 1300 people with no police and at the end of a game ONE person walking out of the ground (and therefore away from any security IN the ground) decides to lob a stone into a crowd - what on earth can you do to prevent that?? Petes point re loose stones and chippings is only valid if pats were in a position to convert that end (which is an actual building site) into an actual stand - they're not because of repeated stalling on our so called grant!

The fact that there was no gards there really is the worst part of this whole affair - especially when you consider the thousands that are spent on gards/motorbikes/horses/helicopters when shamrock rovers play there.......and nothing ever happens!

[ThatGuy]

Hello all every body, hows it al hanging.

Seeing as Pat's got HIT with a 500 euro fine. I think every club needs to sort out this problem fast. How are we going to get kids and family to games when this crap is going on. Every team have a problem can yo all stop blaming Shams scum or Pats or what ever. Why are they not getting life bans for fighting

What crap is going on? What happened in Inchicore was an isolated incident, and in comparison to other legaues around the world, including the Premiership, the "hooligan" problem in Ireland is virtually non-existent. Ban the trouble makers certainly, but you are blowing things completely out of proportion.

[OneRedArmy]

What crap is going on? What happened in Inchicore was an isolated incident, and in comparison to other legaues around the world, including the Premiership, the "hooligan" problem in Ireland is virtually non-existent. Ban the trouble makers certainly, but you are blowing things completely out of proportion.

Disagree. You're much safer inside the stadium in the UK, thats one of the reasons why families have returned to football (the other reasons are irrelevant for the purposes of this debate).

Granted that means its just pushed the trouble away from the grounds but its much easier to avoid than it used to be.

Trouble is still rare in the EL, but society in general is becomming more violent and I think the number of occurences in the League is mirroring this.

[fosterdollar]

It's a fair point being made if you're an ordinary joe soap (not the limerick guy here ) reading the tripe that the various national rags perpetuate. I know people who, despite knowing basically sweet fanny about eL generally, reckon Rovers games are weally scaywy and there's murder in the stands.. This all from reading said sh!te in papers. Double

[Dublin 5 Hoop]

My car was very badly damaged in an attempted theft last year after a cup victory against Rovers in Inchicore.

A touch of the Ollie syndrome about this are you implying that a rovers fan did this. I dont see that your car being damaged in an attempted theift has anythig to do with violence at football matches.

[TheOwl]

I must say I have definitely noticed an upswing in the tension surrounding the Dublin derbies in particular, in recent years.

For a long time Shels never really seemed to have a problem akin to other clubs, but that’s not really the case anymore, I think it is because some of Shels young support from a few years ago have grown up into a Dutch Gold Brigade of knacker drinking idiots.

Mention the “DGB” to any decent Shels fan and watch them squirm with embarrassment.

[manic da hoop]

We don't live in a perfect world people, and the idea that whatever incidents that may occur within or close to a League of Ireland venue are symptomatic of the modern game is rediculous. The kind of anti-social carry on we talk of is part and parcel of our everyday lives I'm afraid, and simply slapping a fine on any given club every time a minor incident occurs won't solve anything. If we really want to talk about trouble at football (in this country) ask any older supporter of what matches were like in the seventies - Oriel Park, Kilcohan Park and the notorious Marketsfield in Limerick were witness to events that wouldn't happen in a million years now.

And would all Longford fans please quit it with all the ridiculous talk of apparant acts of rape and pillage by Rovers fans every time we visit the midlands. Anyone who didn't know better would easily forge an image of Cromwell in Drogheda from your discriptions. More than anything else you're just embarrassing yourselves.

[wws]

My car was very badly damaged in an attempted theft last year after a cup victory against Rovers in Inchicore.

sorry to hear that but that has nothing to do with EL clubs - they dont police society in or outside grounds. As a matter of interest where did you park it?

[Dodge]

Apparently, the insult this post deserves is not kosher so instead I'll have to politely ask do you have any real evidence to try and blame this on Rovers fans?

Well who else would it be? D'uh...

[WeAreRovers]

I don't have a 'bee in my bonnet' about Rovers fans .

Well your previous hysterically OTT post gives the lie to that.

As others have pointed out there is sod all trouble in our league and ranting nonsensically about it doesn't help. (That's the Herald's job anyway)

KOH