LOI in Europe 2023

**pineapple stu** · 17/08/2023, 9:53 PM

Should be noted as well that the LoI won't be in the Youth League for the first time. Pat's were the champions but we were ranked 40th, and that won't be enough to qualify.

I think this year's U17 (not U19) champions qualify - was that on here? We'll be ranked 36th for that and that gives a much better chance of qualifying.

So that is the European campaign over bar finding out how the coefficient ends up. Derry with a win against the league ranked below us is a nice boost of course

**Nesta99** · 17/08/2023, 9:59 PM

Their keeper was a gobsh1te also! Harsh way to go out considering the performance overall. Thats the benchmark for Derry now, they can wallow or kick on. Might be a bit of an ask to dig a result out in the cup but the league challange is still well on for them if they want it. Its not a good result for Rovers who could have done with Derry having their focus on a few fronts unless they suddenly improve performances. Not ignoring other challangers, I just think Derry still have the greatest potential to win the league and if they play like tonight for the remainder of the season they wont be far off.

**holidaysong** · 17/08/2023, 10:09 PM

The league sits 32nd at the moment. It looks favourable for a top 33 finish and a Europa League place for 2025. I'd expect Kazakhstan to overtake us as Astana have a favourable draw, but for us to stay ahead of Kosovo and Finland.

**2 Year Contract** · 17/08/2023, 10:27 PM

Am I right in saying that Derry winning 1-0 in 90 mins tonight will help their own club coefficient but will do nothing really for the league's coefficient? (I could very likely be wrong on this one)

**joey B** · 17/08/2023, 10:47 PM

They left that one behind them,the Kazak's were very poor I thought,Maher was a spectator for alot of the game....

**yurt** · 17/08/2023, 10:48 PM

No it's the opposite. As mentioned by holidaying the win is huge for the league's co-efficient bringing us above Latvia and Armenia and in to 32nd. Giving us a decent chance of finishing in the top 33 unless two of the Kazaks, Kosovons or Fins pick up another couple results with the team's remaining.

The club co-efficient is based on the round you reach so getting knocked out on pens is the same new result as losing both legs.

**thischarmingman** · 17/08/2023, 11:01 PM

Well that was ****ing horrible.

**SwanVsDalton** · 18/08/2023, 1:25 AM

A night to love football. A night to hate football. That's the game we love.

An amazing atmosphere in Tallaght. More than 3,000 Derry heads down on a week night is a great turnout considering. And the noise - totally electric boogaloo for near 2.5 hours. A real throwback feel to the Kenny European nights of '06, pure magic.

I thought we were sensational for long stretches in the first 60. O'Reilly was fantastic. Mickey Duffy is in top gear right now. Patching and McGonigle look like they've found themselves again. Tool were dire, and I thought we made them look that way.

As the game wore on, we lost our shape, got leggy and stretched. Tobol were happy slowing it down and we couldn't get our foot back on our throat. And, as mentioned, we simply haven't been clinical enough once again - not just in front of goal, but our crossing/passing from promising attacking areas remains totally inconsistent.

We didn't get what we deserved but football is cruel and football is also wonderful. It was that kind of night.

**pineapple stu** · 18/08/2023, 6:19 AM

Originally Posted by holidaysong

The league sits 32nd at the moment. It looks favourable for a top 33 finish and a Europa League place for 2025. I'd expect Kazakhstan to overtake us as Astana have a favourable draw, but for us to stay ahead of Kosovo and Finland.

I'd fancy Kosovo to pass us as well; they've a playoff against BATE Borisov, who are a shadow of the team they once were; sanctions aren't helping at all there. Wouldn't rule out the Faroes either; a home win against Sheriff, a defeat in aggregate and a couple of group stage results would do it. Probably just that bit too far behind, but KÍ's form has been exceptional. Bosnia are guaranteed a team in the groups too and have a playoff tie against LASK Linz. And even Iceland - with only three teams, so each result is worth more - have Breidablik in a playoff against Struga of North Macedonia to make the Conference League groups. We already know Breidablik > Rovers > Struga. Those sides would probably all need something like two wins and a draw in the groups to pass us out - it's a lot, but not impossible.

HJK had three goes at getting into the groups and could conceivably lose all six matches, which would be quite the break for us. And did well to sneak ahead of Armenia and Latvia at the death alright

**lofty9** · 18/08/2023, 7:56 AM

[QUOTE=SwanVsDalton;2158569
I thought we were sensational for long stretches in the first 60. O'Reilly was fantastic. Mickey Duffy is in top gear right now. Patching and McGonigle look like they've found themselves again. Tool were dire, and I thought we made them look that way.

As the game wore on, we lost our shape, got leggy and stretched. Tobol were happy slowing it down and we couldn't get our foot back on our throat. And, as mentioned, we simply haven't been clinical enough once again - not just in front of goal, but our crossing/passing from promising attacking areas remains totally inconsistent.
.[/QUOTE]

Patching's injury and being cautious with o'Reilly on a yellow was a turning point. McEleney clearly isn't fit and looks like he can't do anymore than 60mins a week, we couldn't replace O'Reillys energy and drive. Looked like the one extra journey over Tobol's affected the legs in the latter part of the game. We made them look poor over two legs, I'll be surprised if they aren't walloped in the next round. As for the pens, surprised at one player not stepping up to take a pen, and although Ben Doherty had the balls to take the 5th, his record on penalties should've meant he was nowhere near the first 5. But I'm sure you'd need to have some balls as a coach to tell someone they're11th on the list lol.

Anyhow, I wouldn't have made anymore trips to Dublin after last night if we'd won, just not practical for me financially and with work commitments. Watching us play a home game in Tallaght was embarrassing, made me question everything about the the LOI, UEFA and European football and whether I really am a supporter compared to those around me who seemed quite happy paying all that money to get to the game. UEFA simply don't do the 'magic of the cup '.

**outspoken** · 18/08/2023, 8:39 AM

Originally Posted by lofty9

Patching's injury and being cautious with o'Reilly on a yellow was a turning point. McEleney clearly isn't fit and looks like he can't do anymore than 60mins a week, we couldn't replace O'Reillys energy and drive. Looked like the one extra journey over Tobol's affected the legs in the latter part of the game. We made them look poor over two legs, I'll be surprised if they aren't walloped in the next round. As for the pens, surprised at one player not stepping up to take a pen, and although Ben Doherty had the balls to take the 5th, his record on penalties should've meant he was nowhere near the first 5. But I'm sure you'd need to have some balls as a coach to tell someone they're11th on the list lol.

Anyhow, I wouldn't have made anymore trips to Dublin after last night if we'd won, just not practical for me financially and with work commitments. Watching us play a home game in Tallaght was embarrassing, made me question everything about the the LOI, UEFA and European football and whether I really am a supporter compared to those around me who seemed quite happy paying all that money to get to the game. UEFA simply don't do the 'magic of the cup '.

I didn't have to pay in last night and the trip of half the journey still set me back about 50 good through parking, grub and fuel. Can't imagine the cost for a family from Derry last night.

**Another Bohemia** · 18/08/2023, 9:05 AM

Originally Posted by lofty9

Anyhow, I wouldn't have made anymore trips to Dublin after last night if we'd won, just not practical for me financially and with work commitments. Watching us play a home game in Tallaght was embarrassing, made me question everything about the the LOI, UEFA and European football and whether I really am a supporter compared to those around me who seemed quite happy paying all that money to get to the game. UEFA simply don't do the 'magic of the cup '.

Didn't Derry nominate Tallaght as the ground at the start of the competition should they progress to this round? Surely some of the blame should lie at the club's feet if that's the case. Not 100% sure if they could have nominated Windsor from the get go but can understand UEFAs reluctance to allow a change of nominated venue at short notice. A change of venue in Ireland probably wouldn't be a big deal for teams coming to Ireland but imagine travelling to a larger country like Russia or Germany and the ground being changed at relatively short notice. Could be a logistical nightmare for the visiting team and give the home team a significant advantage if they planned it in advance. Ultimately it looks like Derry didn't plan with their own supporters in mind and that's a great shame because as you can see from the support last night there was a massive amount of passion for the team there. Can only imagine what it would have been like with a more reasonable location

**lofty9** · 18/08/2023, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by Another Bohemia

Didn't Derry nominate Tallaght as the ground at the start of the competition should they progress to this round? Surely some of the blame should lie at the club's feet if that's the case. Not 100% sure if they could have nominated Windsor from the get go but can understand UEFAs reluctance to allow a change of nominated venue at short notice. A change of venue in Ireland probably wouldn't be a big deal for teams coming to Ireland but imagine travelling to a larger country like Russia or Germany and the ground being changed at relatively short notice. Could be a logistical nightmare for the visiting team and give the home team a significant advantage if they planned it in advance. Ultimately it looks like Derry didn't plan with their own supporters in mind and that's a great shame because as you can see from the support last night there was a massive amount of passion for the team there. Can only imagine what it would have been like with a more reasonable location

Only reasonable location for playing a team in a non group stage is the Brandywell. If it's good enough for previous 2 rounds it's good enough for a 3rd at least. It's a nonsense . On the club, Derry City don't plan anything with their supporters in mind, never do when it comes to Europe. It's a business for them, end of, which is fair enough. Pricing is always too high but they know they have a loyal 3k.

**Another Bohemia** · 18/08/2023, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by lofty9

Only reasonable location for playing a team in a non group stage is the Brandywell. If it's good enough for previous 2 rounds it's good enough for a 3rd at least. It's a nonsense . On the club, Derry City don't plan anything with their supporters in mind, never do when it comes to Europe. It's a business for them, end of, which is fair enough. Pricing is always too high but they know they have a loyal 3k.

I disagree on stadium standards TBH. At some stage the standards have to be raised and the earlier the higher standards are introduced the better. Afaik it's not just seating but parking and press areas that increase as you progress which makes sense since you will likely find the more you progress with these things the higher profile the teams you meet are and they will potentially bring more media members, more supporters etc that justify the increase in the additional things. If you leave it until the group stages you could end up with clashes if more than 1 team needs to use the same stadium, or there is no stadium that meets the minimum requirement within the country and that requires UEFA to grant a dispensation on some of the requirements etc. Bringing these decisions in earlier let's teams plan appropriately and also pushes teams, local associations etc to stop putting infrastructure items on the long finger. It's a necessary evil imo.

**DCWA** · 18/08/2023, 12:32 PM