Republic of Ireland V Latvia - Wednesday, 22nd March 2023 - Friendly

[backstothewall]

Stephen Kenny has more managerial experience than both of them put together.

Aye. Including loads of experience of getting beat as Ireland manager.

[weldoninhio]

Anyone calling for a manager's removal has the onus of responsibility to propose an alternative.

No they don't hahaha. Literally ANY proper manager would do better than Kenny has done. ChatGTP would probably do a better job. The emperor has no clothes, everyone can see that now.

[weldoninhio]

point taken - but i will say, the difference in talent between Rice and Grealish vs Smallbone, Ebosele, Hodge and Cannon is absolutely huge. Evan Ferguson is the only player to compare with their level of raw talent and he's been capped as quick as possible

I think Hodge now, is about where Rice/Grealish were back then. And still can't even get into a senior squad.

[weldoninhio]

Theres a lot of very good managers out there. I doubt many here would have heard of Postecoglou or De Zerbi before they were hired at Celtic and Brighton, I definitely didnt. If you could trust the FAI to cast a wide net and find a diamond then we could find an excellent replacement for Kenny. I certainly dont trust them and were guaranteed to be just linked with the usual suspects on the British system merry-go-round. You'll have some nonsense like Ray Houghton and Liam Brady being involved on some committee to help pick the manager like what happened previously.

Anyway a replacement manager will only be needed if things go badly in the new campaign, lets hope that Kenny turns it around and we get good results. There is a feeling here that lads now want us to lose so that Kenny gets sacked. I've said that I dont believe in him anymore, but I also would rather we stick with him because we are getting results than hope we lose so we can replace him.

There is more chance of the captain of the Titanic waking up, bailing out the ship with a bucket and turning it around back to Cork, than Kenny suddenly becoming an international level manager. And that's being kind to Kenny.

[tetsujin1979]

Use muti quote Weldoninho

[Kingdom]

Lee Carsley
Stephen Reid

There's 2 potential, realistic replacements with suitable experience.

Fair play to you, appreciate it.
I disagree with both proposals. They are unsuitable.

[Razors left peg]

I think Hodge now, is about where Rice/Grealish were back then. And still can't even get into a senior squad.

I like Hodge but he hasnt seen a football pitch since January, he doesnt even make bench at moment for Wolves

[weldoninhio]

Use muti quote Weldoninho

Sorry I was replying as I read the thread. Didn't think i'd be commenting so much.

[Kingdom]

You set a tangible target of what a manager should be achieving and take a view based on what the manager actually achieves. It's the only way to take a fair view.

Bringing other managers or possible managers into it doesn't help - someone might be available today or not in six months time. Someone might be good but unaffordable. Someone might be gettable but we don't realise they are.

We should be judging the current manager based on how well he does with the team, not based on whether any other manager might or might not be interested or available.

So, when kenny is no longer manager, and we have Steven Gerrard appointed, I can say that we should be topping groups, making tournament semi-finals, or whatever, just because I deem that to be tangible. And then when the next manager doesn't, I can be as unmerciful in my criticism as I like?

[weldoninhio]

Fair play to you, appreciate it.
I disagree with both proposals. They are unsuitable.

Unsuitable in what way??

[Kingdom]

Its an absolutely ridiculous proposition what you are saying and its a fairly nefarious thing to try and do it. Do you think organisations(for any type of management position) of any kind don't get rid of people because they are underperforming? Absolutely ridiculous , in any/all industry they do. Sport is no different. Happens all the time in football too.

Nefarious, I like it. It's incorrect, but I like the implication. But then again, I don't classify Kenny as underperforming, you do. And in a 'my Kingers opinion vs your POSh opinion - you specifically Paul - I don't in any way hold any regard for your opinion, for many reasons which I refuse to discuss on this forum.

However, I absolutely adore you as a person in real-life, and that's all that matters to me.

[Kingdom]

I think Hodge now, is about where Rice/Grealish were back then. And still can't even get into a senior squad.

He's not.

[zero]

Unsuitable in what way??

neither of them are Steven Kenny.

[JR89]

The funny thing is you expect him to score in every game he plays now, just because he always looks so dangerous and his positioning is brilliant. Hes that good that I do think he'll do well today.

Yeah his positioning in the box is very good. Even in the game against Leeds he wasn't given any space whatsoever but the first goal you see him dropping out of the six yard box to drag the CB with him which left an acre of space for McAllister to score an easy header.

Don't expect him to be dragging us to victories but feed him the ball and fully believe he'll score as would Obafemi. Issue is getting the ball to them in goal scoring positions.

[Kingdom]

Unsuitable in what way??

In an unsuitable way, as in, not suitable for the job.

[SkStu]

Fair play to you, appreciate it.
I disagree with both proposals. They are unsuitable.

I'd be fine with taking a chance on Carsley, I think.

[Razors left peg]

I'd be fine with taking a chance on Carsley, I think.

On balance I probably would too Stu, but he has been held up as some sort of savior for quite a while when hes never really been a manager.

I liked the idea of Jim Goodwin before things went t1ts up for him at Aberdeen. Theres not a whole lot of "Irish" options so you could see a scenario where Frank Lampard would get hired because the FAI know his name

[zero]

On balance I probably would too Stu, but he has been held up as some sort of savior for quite a while when hes never really been a manager.

I liked the idea of Jim Goodwin before things went t1ts up for him at Aberdeen. Theres not a whole lot of "Irish" options so you could see a scenario where Frank Lampard would get hired because the FAI know his name

Brian Barry-Murphy will likely go on to have a solid career as manager. Currently heading up the Man City u21s - probably too early in his career but certainly someone to keep an eye on.

[Razors left peg]

Brian Barry-Murphy will likely go on to have a solid career as manager. Currently heading up the Man City u21s - probably too early in his career but certainly someone to keep an eye on.

Good should, but it would still be a chance. He could be a chance worth taking though

[paul_oshea]

Nefarious, I like it. It's incorrect, but I like the implication. But then again, I don't classify Kenny as underperforming, you do. And in a 'my Kingers opinion vs your POSh opinion - you specifically Paul - I don't in any way hold any regard for your opinion, for many reasons which I refuse to discuss on this forum.

However, I absolutely adore you as a person in real-life, and that's all that matters to me.

I'll accept that. Because I'm in the sane 90% who certainly dont think Kenny has been performing Now off with you back to your belgian backwater untouched by modern living : P

On balance I probably would too Stu, but he has been held up as some sort of savior for quite a while when hes never really been a manager.

I liked the idea of Jim Goodwin before things went t1ts up for him at Aberdeen. Theres not a whole lot of "Irish" options so you could see a scenario where Frank Lampard would get hired because the FAI know his name

I think whatever anyone thinks of the new FAI board V the old FAI board but I'd be a lot more concerned about the FAI doing that again bringing in houghton and Bonner to head the recruitment and although I dont think they end up with Lampard because of costs they'd end up with someone like Paul Ince instead. We're not in the FOotball Management Recruitment World as are none of us on here ( even you Kingdom even if you think a few years underage coaching u12s girls and boys gives you some overlord worldly view ; ) ) but we'd hope that the FAI would be able to tap into that and get a less parochial(ireland/england) and more worldly view.