QuoteAre local or youth games being scheduled on Friday evenings in Limerick?Originally Posted by outspoken
Yeah still a lot of work to be done in that regard.
Markets Field - less said the better.
Are local or youth games being scheduled on Friday evenings in Limerick?
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A Championship: 4 years - 8 first teams - 0 financially ruined. First Division '14: 7 first teams.
Opportunity lost for new clubs/regions to join the LoI family.
Not entirely sure about week to week, but the Premier Division League Cup final was played on the same night as a Treaty home game.
Youth games are played in ground near Railway Station cant remember name of ground a native was telling me when I was there a few weeks back?
Gary Cronin is he the right man to manage Longford Town?
A native was telling me that local games are being scheduled on Friday nights. Totally rowing against Treaty.
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A Championship: 4 years - 8 first teams - 0 financially ruined. First Division '14: 7 first teams.
Opportunity lost for new clubs/regions to join the LoI family.
Kerry v Longford the last game for which we're still missing data.
Is it a bad venue for atmosphere? Have not been down since Limerick moved back to it. I did do Thomond alright and that did feel soulless due to size of the stadium. Mind you the crowds were a good bit bigger than what they are getting now.
As someone who attends all sports i find the cost of living is a significant factor these days across the board. The GAA still attract huge crowds particulary in Munster Hurling & Ulster Football, posting here about 4000 sell outs & 37,000 at Cork V Tipperary last saturday nght in Cork puts things in perspective. Of the 4 main sports in Ireland i find Hurling & Rugby the most enertaining and im not alone round Limerick, Gaelic Football ( totally overrated) & soccer are tough going at times to watch and particulary in places like Cork & Limerick where theres a lot of choice for punters to choose from.
PS Three sports i could watch on my terrerstial tv yesterday , watched racing mostly from Newmarket , bits of AIL RugbyFinal between 2 Dublin Clubs in a 2/3 empty aviva but still probably 10K there , looked a real family day out with loads of jerseyed fans not needing to behave like louts we sometimes see at Dublin LOI Derbies & flicked occassionally at very one sided gaelic football matchs even if Galway & Kerry scored some well finished goals.
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Jackman Park ?
As far as I can tell there have been 4 Football games played at Páirc Uí Chaoimh in 2023, all in the national League
Cork v Meath (can't find attendance)
Cork v Dublin (10,232)
Cork v Limerick (7,347, Double Header)
Cork v Derry (can't find attendance)
There have also been 5 Hurling games at the Páirc. Three in the league and two in the Championship
Cork v Limerick (19,500)
Cork v Westmeath (7347 Double Header)
Cork v Wexford (can't find attendance)
Cork v Waterford (29,104)
Cork v Tipperary (36,765).
Thats it for the year. There will be no more Senior Hurling or Football games played in Cork for the rest of the year. If we assume crowds of 10k for the two Football games I don't have attendances for (seems generous) and 15k for the Cork Wexford Hurling game, that gives a total of 137.9k for 9 games (Including a Double Header), for an average of 15.3k for the 9 games, or 17.2k for the 8 gates.
There have been two Munster games at Musgrave Park in 2023, both sellouts at 8,008, in addition to 3 games in the first half of the 2022/23 season pulling an average of 5,726. There was also the South Africa game in November at Páirc Uí Chaoimh with an attendance of 41,400.
Munster only play a handful of games a year in Cork, typically not marquee games, though there are also U20 and Womens games. I'm struggling to find crowds for those games, France U20 was a sellout, I assume there was a good crowd for England U20 too but would doubt the Womens games did so well.
If we total up the Munster and Ireland U20 games at Musgrave Park since the start of the 2022/23 season we get 49k (assuming a sellout for England U20).
Adding The South Africa game brings it to 90k, but that was very much an anomaly, and there was a similar crowd for the Liam Miller game at the same venue a couple of years back so I'm inclined to throw that out
I'm gonna be lazy with Citys attendances, we averaged 4,574 through the first 5 games and added about 3200 for the Pats game. That puts us at 26,070 through 6 of our 18 home games. IF we were to maintain that for the rest of the season we'd be at about 78k by the end of the year (excluding Cup games), though realistically we are a poor side and we aren't going to maintain this level of attendance. We also will probably see a dip in away crowds once everyone has been to the Cross for the first time in a few years. I would put the average attendance floor at about 2,500, which would bring us to about 56k, about 40% of my estimate for total attendance at Páirc Uí Chaoimh this year. You can add in the Iceland U21 game for another ~6000 bringing Turners Cross to ~45% of the PUC attendance for the year and ~126% of the Musgrave Park attendance.
In a good year, with European games City can run the GAA close in total attendances in Cork and I'm confident we get more through the gates at the Cross than they do in Musgrave park almost every year.
I think any comparison of the League of Ireland to Rugby or GAA needs to take into consideration the fact that there are so few games in the latter two sports. Its easy for Cork GAA to sell out the Páirc 2 to 3 times a year in the Championship. Every game feels like an event. If you look at the crowds for the League, you can see that they aren't getting massive crowds. They still do better than City do at the Cross of course but I feel like the comparison isn't as stark as it appears. This is despite the fact that the games are virtually all at weekends, get pretty decent media coverage and are still pretty rare).
Thats not to say that your point that overall there is a lot of choice. Obviously if Cork GAA and Munster Rugby didnt play games in Cork, City might see some more people through the door, and there is also lesser competition from the likes of the UCC and Neptune basketball
They've a few lads in the corner making noise but bar that the place just feels empty especially on a windy/wet night
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Just up now, 860.
Big drop off, surprised how loud MH Park can be when the home fans get excited though, made a real racket when they scored the two goals Friday.
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Lot of amended official figures on LOI Connect. A few of them lower than originally stated, and a few of them higher. Makes a bit of a change to a few club figures.
Overall numbers of people through the gates has already coming very close to the 2016 season and should probably pass it over the next week or so.
Awaiting official figure from Bray v Waterford (28th Apr)
PREMIER DIVISION
Bohs - 4,251 (3,209 {2022};2,878{19}; 2,148; 2,006; 1,627; 1,724; 1,395; 1,597; 1,496; 1,488)
Cork - 4,455 (3,517 FD; 2,505; 4,245; 4,559; 2,533; 3,263; 3,777; 1,965; 2,786; 2,128 FD)
Derry - 3,563 (3,184; 2,049; 2,297; 1,517; 1,563; 1,124; 1,106; 1,446; 1,460; 2,135)
Drogheda - 1,978 (1,941; 721 FD; ; 377 FD; 850; 583 FD; 813; 1,064; 817; 977; 811)
Dundalk - 2,974 (2,689; 2,775; 2,738; 2,674; 2,738; 3,158; 2,534; 1,997; 949; 1,355)
Pat's - 4,435 (3,489; 1,919; 1,621; 1,504; 1,088; 1,321; 1,386; 1,687; 1,474; 1,346)
Rovers - 6,222 (5,379; 3,384; 2,749; 2,809; 2,041; 2,890; 2,269; 2,763; 3,127; 3,779)
Shels - 3,120 (2,913; 1,071 FD; 654 FD; 496 FD; 554 FD; 596 FD; 713 FD; 1,114; 1,187; 781 FD)
Sligo - 3,020 (2,166; 1,995; 1,853; 1,717; 1,750; 1,750; 1,959; 2,342; 3,007; 2,103)
UCD - 768 (953; 739; 365 FD; 236 FD; 297 FD; 216 FD; 397; 487; 506; 558; 610)
FIRST DIVISION
Athlone - 829 (307; 382; 130; 154; 156; 314; 653 PD; 754; 271; 200)
Bray - 751 (482; 773; 643 PD; 966 PD; 957 PD; 769 PD; 718 PD; 891 PD; 965 PD; 1,121 PD)
Cobh - 1,242 (872; 268; 236; 358; 403; 366; 223; 439; 2008 - 1,122 PD; 681)
Galway - 2,543 (2,081; 780; 746; 1,376 PD; 1,169 PD; 1,290 PD; 975)
Harps - 1,498 (1,293 PD; 1,154 PD; 708; 1,202 PD; 1,216 PD; 784; 449; 479; 429; 433; 644)
Kerry - 1,094 (No previous)
Longford - 744 (500; 610; 449; 342; 488 PD; 803 PD; 567; 379; 365; 315)
Treaty - 736 (695)
Waterford - 2,215 (1,705; 1,496 PD; 2,329 PD; 1,550; 314; 460; 470; 478; 453; 466)
Wexford - 809 (445; 235; 181; 338; 585 PD; 553; 331; 227; 302; 216)
PREMIER AVERAGE: 3,462 (2,687; 2,185; 2,170; 1,902; 1,476; 1,681; 1,502; 1,566; 1,630; 1,547)
FIRST DIVISION AVERAGE: 1,250 (1,193; 586; 413; 477; 476; 486; 495; 391; 372; 578)
OVERALL AVERAGE: 2,397 (2,051; 1,500; 1,249; 1,387; 1,117; 1,249; 1,160; 1,140; 1,125; 1,110)
OVERALL PREMIER ATTENDANCE: 242,364 (486,365; 393,238; 316,515; 376,627; 292,204; 332,805; 297,334)
OVERALL FIRST ATTENDANCE: 81,270 (178,000; 79,115; 55,756; 53,461; 52,807; 54,474; 55,408)
OVERALL COMBINED ATTENDANCE: 323,634 (664,365; 472,353; 372,271; 430,088; 345,011; 387,279; 352,742)
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Interesting in those averages to-date is UCD having the second lowest attendance of all 20 clubs across the LOI's 2 divisions (and only 26 people above Longford's average in bottom place). The next lowest attendance to UCD in the PD is almost 3 times what the Students atttract. And that's despite them beihg a handy away trip for teams in the Dublin area.
You could see this fixture attracting up to 10,000 on a good day, with both clubs doing well and available capacity to hold it. It'll be interesting to see what crowd the fixture on 1st September gets when the new stand is open.
I checked this out of interest and the Real Madrid game is down as a 10,915 sell out with the temporary stands.
https://m.independent.ie/sport/socce...aght%20Stadium.
I’d imagine Fridays attendance is the biggest in the stadium since the permanent ones were build though
Paaatrick's Agletic
Apologies - the above post was re the averages up to the previous round of games. The latest average keeps UCD at 768, but has Bray and Treaty a bit below them as well now (though not by much).
It's a fairly unique proposition for fans. The obvious fanbase are students, who largely go home for the weekend. (And yes, they tried Thursday games once upon a time.) There's no big US-style culture of supporting the college teams. Turnover means most fans are transitory. Nearly no one's dad brought them to Belfield as a nipper; in fact, Miltown's proximity means Rovers traditionally ate our dinner on that front, and the region of Dublin is probably the most rugby-friendly. It's not necessarily intractable. If the league were to become a bit bigger in the national psyche, it'd make league matches more interesting for students.
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It's the biggest League of Ireland attendance at the stadium I think, Real Madrid being a friendly.
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