FAI Junior Cup 2005/06

**soccerc** · 15/02/2006, 9:59 PM

Originally Posted by Dr Mad

Here's what you said ....

"Portmarnock are living on past glories and haven't impressed me this term. Some senior players should call time and hang up their boots".

You still haven't explained this - just given some bizarre opinions about 2 players that most Clubs in Dublin would (still) welcome with open arms. Bruen? never a niggler or a wind-up merchant, on or off the ball. Flynn? no more or no less a whinger than any other good competitive midfielder.

By past glories do you mean winning Premier A and the Leinster Junior Cup last Season? Or making it to the last 8 this Season? A lot of Clubs with be very happy with that kind of "past" glory.

And for the record I would rate Newlands Celtic, Oatfield and Moyle Park as better teams than Neilstown (Never said Junior Teams) in Clondalkin right now. Seen them all in action this season and would fancy any of them to beat Neilstown.

If you really consider Oatfield and Newlands Celtic to be better sides than Neilstown then I fear for any other opinions you may have.

Newlands are a very local group of lads whom I've known since most were kids. They are a good Div 1 side nothing more nothing less. However, they are certainly not in the same bracket as Rangers. Maybe Ports underestimated them in the recent cup game where you were lucky to win 2-1.

I agree Moyle park would be a better team/club but then again they are an Intermediate outfit so in all fairness should be. Oatfield are not even at the races as far as I am concerned. St Francis would be well ahead of them in terms of talent and potential and I would not count them in the top five Clondalkin sides.

I have no affiliation with any club so my opinions are not tainted by allegience to a club I may support.

**Dr Mad** · 15/02/2006, 10:08 PM

Well soccerc, I'll bow to your superior local knowledge.
My opinion is based on what I've seen of those Clondalkin Clubs this season, and the years I've watched Neilstown try to re-capture the real past glories (FAI Junior Cup Winners back in the early 90's if I'm right?).

As an ex-Porto Player of course I'm biased, but history will be the Judge.

You still haven't explained your earlier comments though .......

**abbeyvale** · 16/02/2006, 12:11 PM

Quarter Final Draw

Athenry v ULAA
Pike Rovers v Salthill Devon or Waterford Crystal
Clonmel Town v Castelbar Celtic or Neilstown Rangers
Portmarnock v Killester United

to be played weekend of 4/5 March

**tipp man** · 16/02/2006, 12:15 PM

Whats the latest on the Carew Park appeal? When will Castlebar and Neilstown play?

**abbeyvale** · 16/02/2006, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by tipp man

Whats the latest on the Carew Park appeal? When will Castlebar and Neilstown play?

I was speaking to a Carew Pk player yesterday and he had no update as of then.
They are still waiting to hear.

**the only 1** · 16/02/2006, 2:49 PM

whens the salthill v crystal match on?

**soccerc** · 16/02/2006, 3:26 PM

Originally Posted by tipp man

Whats the latest on the Carew Park appeal? When will Castlebar and Neilstown play?

Latest is appeal will be heard early next week with the tie now provisionally set for 5th march

**swinfordfc** · 16/02/2006, 3:40 PM

Originally Posted by the only 1

whens the salthill v crystal match on?

Sunday week.

**clean sheet** · 16/02/2006, 6:38 PM

Originally Posted by Dr Mad

Soccerc - you will have to try harder than that. Keith Bruen NEVER speaks to referees, never has done, just not his style, anyone that knows him over the years will verify that. And Barry Flynn's record speaks for itself, ask Gerry Smith what he thinks of him and why he's begging him to come out of retirement and play for the Junior International Team for another season. Or ask any of the midfielders he's played against around the country this season, including many 10-15 years younger than him.

So have you any more examples? And what games have you seen to base your opinion on? Seems like a lazy opinion to me.

they are alot of equally good players as barry flynn if gerry smith
starts looking outside dublin and looks around at games .how many player in the last 3 seasons that were in junior cup final and not got a cap.

**Dr Mad** · 16/02/2006, 6:59 PM

Maybe there are players as good, but Flynn's done it year in and year out for 10 years plus.

4 Junior Cups, 60+ caps, buckets of leagues and cups in Limerick and Dublin.

Attitude, Application and Experience counts as well you know.

**lim abroad** · 17/02/2006, 1:04 AM

great player he is,think he won four in a row junior cups

**headerball** · 17/02/2006, 8:54 AM

Originally Posted by headerball

i think they winners may come from the following,

westport
killester
pike
carew
carrick
portmanock

outside bet
athenry

good chance the winner may come from my original selection.

**kingpin** · 17/02/2006, 9:23 AM

Originally Posted by clean sheet

they are alot of equally good players as barry flynn if gerry smith
starts looking outside dublin and looks around at games .how many player in the last 3 seasons that were in junior cup final and not got a cap.

Well said, it seems that this Irish junior set up is all a click. You have to know people to get in there. There should be trials for each province at least every two years. Whilst i am not saying that whoever is already on the team isnt a good player, i think there is players as good if not better to be found around the country that should not be denied the oppertunity to represtent their country due to the woefull way the Irish junior setup is run!

**renovater** · 17/02/2006, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by clean sheet

they are alot of equally good players as barry flynn if gerry smith
starts looking outside dublin and looks around at games .how many player in the last 3 seasons that were in junior cup final and not got a cap.

Will someone give J smyth a map or show him the way across the Shannon he only manage 1 junior player out of Mayo over last 5 years.
When you here so many youth players making the grade for Country and across the pond one wonders?

**mullerj52** · 18/02/2006, 1:21 PM

I Agree renovater, Mayo have had just three international Junior players since 1980. Fergie Mcellin, Fergal Forde and Joe Lawless. Not forgetting Danny Schaill who played for the National league under 21 side. I am not sure about Dessie O'Malley.
My point is (and this is aimed at Mayo ppl especially) who do YOU think should get a run? Even in Galway there is the likes of Johnny Mernagh who is banging them in for Athenry. Let me know.

**Thunderblaster** · 20/02/2006, 7:45 PM

Originally Posted by mullerj52

I Agree renovater, Mayo have had just three international Junior players since 1980. Fergie Mcellin, Fergal Forde and Joe Lawless. Not forgetting Danny Schaill who played for the National league under 21 side. I am not sure about Dessie O'Malley.
My point is (and this is aimed at Mayo ppl especially) who do YOU think should get a run? Even in Galway there is the likes of Johnny Mernagh who is banging them in for Athenry. Let me know.

Get in touch with Gerry Smyth.

**renovater** · 20/02/2006, 9:21 PM

Originally Posted by mullerj52

I Agree renovater, Mayo have had just three international Junior players since 1980. Fergie Mcellin, Fergal Forde and Joe Lawless. Not forgetting Danny Schaill who played for the National league under 21 side. I am not sure about Dessie O'Malley.
My point is (and this is aimed at Mayo ppl especially) who do YOU think should get a run? Even in Galway there is the likes of Johnny Mernagh who is banging them in for Athenry. Let me know.

At last someone else see's the light O'Malley & Lawless didnt play international cap but your point is taken. The Mernagh should be getting his chance.
What should be happening Mr smyth should be calling for Regional Camps and picking players from all over the country.But instead he rather not cross the pale
unless it's a junior final played in Connaught.
When you think that Westport were F.A.I. Junior Champions How none of there players have been given the call up.
I'm afraid as history would have it "To hell or to Connaught"
one wonders

**FahyForever** · 21/02/2006, 7:59 AM

Joe Lawless has been capped as far as I know Renovator.

**HuRya** · 21/02/2006, 10:35 AM

The Carew Pk objection against the eligibility of Castlebar players was heard by the FAI Senior Council last night in Dublin.Anyone find out what the FINAL OUTCOME was?

**the only 1** · 21/02/2006, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by HuRya

The Carew Pk objection against the eligibility of Castlebar players was heard by the FAI Senior Council last night in Dublin.Anyone find out what the FINAL OUTCOME was?

will know thursday but they think the least they will get is a replay same sxxt as last year they are making a joke out of this again