Brasileiro (Brazilian Championship)

**eirebhoy** · 07/08/2005, 11:03 PM

Just looking at the table:
http://www.soccerway.com/national/brazil/first

Vasco, Flamengo and Sao Paulo all down the bottom. They're the 3 most recognised teams to me.

And only 4 teams have scored more than Vasco. They still have Romario though.

Junior Baiano must be getting on if they're conceding 47 goals.

**Metrostars** · 08/08/2005, 12:15 AM

Just found out on Friday that I may have to go to Sao Paulo in October on business. Is the season still on then? If so, I'll have to get to a game there.

**Poor Student** · 08/08/2005, 10:25 AM

How is Romario doing? I cannot believe the man's sheer durability.

**Gerrit** · 08/08/2005, 6:51 PM

Reply to why I don't like them:

I don't like big teams. Yes, you can say success has the opposite effect on me than something turning me on. I dislike the atmosphere of the big top teams. "We always have to win, we're better than the rest, we must win trophies every time, we look down on small amateur teams". I don't like that. Professional football is making me very sick sometimes, and always it's because of the "always wanting more" mentality of dominant influent teams. Which is why I cannot support or even like teams such as Barcelona, Madrid (hate them !!) and Juventus.

I prefer the friendly amateur atmosphere. I think I mentionned several times before since I joined this forum, that I prefer the Luxembourg league over the Spanish, that I would support the Cook Islands anytime when they play Brazil.

I just don't like the atmosphere at big clubs. That's also what I like about the EL. The day the clubs grow as big as English first division teams and get 15000 spectators every week, I'd probably leave it and turn into LSL football. Amateur over professional anytime for me, minnow over top team.

Brazil represents everything that I dislike about the big teams. I just dislike them. Just the football. I have nothing against Brazil as a country or their people. I just hate their football team (even though my favourites Norway beat them 2 times out of 3 in the last 15 years !

)

PS: don't start about Rosenborg now... We're still a small team in Europe and dominated a league not really notorious for its big stars...

PS 2: there are exceptions. I have a soft spot for Argentina somehow. I do support Norway if it'd be NOR-ARG and I'd also support Luxembourg of San Marino or so against ARG. But I do prefer ARG over the other big ones.

PS 3: hating succesful teams is a bit stupid maybe, but I do feel it's better that way than if I'd have been gloryhunting and jump on the Brazilian bandwagon

**eirebhoy** · 08/08/2005, 6:59 PM

Originally Posted by Poor Student

How is Romario doing? I cannot believe the man's sheer durability.

Vasco have got a new coach and he wants to build the team around Romario. He's the captain.

**Poor Student** · 08/08/2005, 7:01 PM

Well Gerrit we all draw different things out of the game. Some enjoy the pure emotion of winning. Some enjoy the style of play above the result. Others enjoy the chess like tactical battles in places like the Serie A. Some like it from their armchair and some like to be on the crumbling terraces on a cold dark damp December evening. We don't need to justify ourselves. I must say though, your approach to the game is as unique as I have seen.

**Poor Student** · 08/08/2005, 7:03 PM

Originally Posted by eirebhoy

Vasco have got a new coach and he wants to build the team around Romario. He's the captain.

I thought I read something bizarre like he was leaving at the end of the season to join Socrates' English non-league side.

Delighted to see the aul fella will keep going. Even into his late 30's he has a bizarre knack of finding the net prolificly without even training though I read a while back he was doing poor this season.

**superfrank** · 08/08/2005, 7:43 PM

Originally Posted by eirebhoy

Vasco have got a new coach and he wants to build the team around Romario. He's the captain.

Wasn't he at Fluminense? I thought he was going to retire as well. What's he now? 38 or 39??

**Kerry Blue** · 08/08/2005, 8:31 PM

Originally Posted by Metrostars

Just found out on Friday that I may have to go to Sao Paulo in October on business. Is the season still on then? If so, I'll have to get to a game there.

You lucky sod!! The Brasileiro doesn't finish until December 4th. Sao Paulo play 3 games at home during October:

8th v. Ponte Preta
23rd v. Santos
26th v. Brasiliense

Of course if you'd rather watch that other team from that city (Corinthians

) they play the following matches at home in October:

2nd v. Brasiliense
8th v. Fortaleza
23rd v. Parana
30th v. Vasco da Gama

**Kerry Blue** · 08/08/2005, 8:38 PM

Originally Posted by Gerrit

Reply to why I don't like them:

I don't like big teams. Yes, you can say success has the opposite effect on me than something turning me on. I dislike the atmosphere of the big top teams. "We always have to win, we're better than the rest, we must win trophies every time, we look down on small amateur teams". I don't like that. Professional football is making me very sick sometimes, and always it's because of the "always wanting more" mentality of dominant influent teams.

Funny that you feel that way and you support a fully professional team like Shelbourne which are probably the richest club in the league at the moment. (I'm open to correction on this but I don't know any other club that has more funds.) Also I have no doubt whatsoever that Shelbourne do want more success and would love to dominate Irish football for years. Therefore I think you'd do better following another team.

**�anna** · 08/08/2005, 8:47 PM

Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse

Do you know what that makes you then �anna................?

.......a barstooler

**Kerry Blue** · 12/08/2005, 11:10 PM

Ponte Preta take on Corinthians this week and the game is live on Channel 425. KO 8pm approx. Ponte are on a slide having lost their last 3 games while leaders Corinthians have only won 1 of their last 4 matches. It's very close at the top with only 3 points separating the top 7 teams.

**jorge** · 12/08/2005, 11:24 PM

Watch Javier Macherano=Quality

**Gerrit** · 14/08/2005, 4:42 PM

Originally Posted by Kerry Blue

Funny that you feel that way and you support a fully professional team like Shelbourne which are probably the richest club in the league at the moment. (I'm open to correction on this but I don't know any other club that has more funds.) Also I have no doubt whatsoever that Shelbourne do want more success and would love to dominate Irish football for years. Therefore I think you'd do better following another team.

Well, in Ireland there are no real big teams, are there? Shels have maximum 1000 lads in the ground if they play Harps on a Monday evening.

And I'm also one of the only people at Shels who prefers to stay it the way it is. I personally would hate it if the EL would grow to be like the EPL or so.

**Gerrit** · 14/08/2005, 5:10 PM

Originally Posted by Poor Student

Well Gerrit we all draw different things out of the game. Some enjoy the pure emotion of winning. Some enjoy the style of play above the result. Others enjoy the chess like tactical battles in places like the Serie A. Some like it from their armchair and some like to be on the crumbling terraces on a cold dark damp December evening. We don't need to justify ourselves. I must say though, your approach to the game is as unique as I have seen.

Thanks, I usually get less friendly answers to my opinion

Not that I really care, after all my opinion is as wrong or right as everyone else's, therefor it is an OPINION (= no one single exact truth possible)

**Kerry Blue** · 16/08/2005, 7:03 PM

Corinthians go 2 points clear at the top with a 5-3 win away to Ponte Preta. Parana and Goias move into joint second with victories over Cruzeiro and Flamengo. Sao Paulo win for the first time in 9 matches

to move out of relegation zone as Flamengo drop down.

**superfrank** · 17/08/2005, 11:13 AM

Imteresting article on the Brasileiro here

**Kerry Blue** · 17/08/2005, 5:02 PM

Originally Posted by superfrank

Imteresting article on the Brasileiro here

It's an interesting article all right. The thing is, is that there are a few things not mentioned in the piece which might explain the make up of the season and the time it starts and ends. Before the national championship started in Brazil only regional championships existed. These still do today, and are played at the start of the calender year. It means less time for the national championship to be included within the year, which means several midweek games for clubs and travelling all over the massive country of Brazil. I don't see what the problem with the timing of the league is. The majority of Brazil is in the southern hemisphere so their seasons are different. Also several other countries, even in Europe, play their season from spring to winter, like the Scandinavians, east Europeans and ..... o yes....Ireland. The main problem with Sao Paulo was that they concentrated on the Copa Libertadores so they played many reserve players for the Brasileiro. It seems to be costing them now, but with the huge number of matches they have to play in a season, you can't expect them to be close to winning everything. They have already won the Paulista Championship as well as the Libertadores, so to be up at the top of the Brasileiro would have been quiet some achievement.

**superfrank** · 18/08/2005, 1:26 PM

That chap lives there and he does an article every week. I know all about the state championships and it's a pretty big country. How many teams are in it this year 16 or 22?

**Kerry Blue** · 18/08/2005, 7:17 PM

Originally Posted by superfrank

That chap lives there and he does an article every week. I know all about the state championships and it's a pretty big country. How many teams are in it this year 16 or 22?

There are 22 teams in the Brasileiro (42 games) and 20 teams played in the Paulista Championship this year (19 games). I don't follow the other state championships so I'm not sure how many are in each of those, just that there are 27 state championships in total.