Trouble at Pats-City game

**BohDiddley** · 02/08/2005, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Pablo

i didnt see who did it, but it'd be hard to ban him from the cross as it happened in inchicore...

Why is that?

**OneRedArmy** · 02/08/2005, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by Pablo

i didnt see who did it, but it'd be hard to ban him from the cross as it happened in inchicore..........

plus the guy who threw the rock is "well known to pats" whats being done there? banning isn't enough that was attempted murder IMO

What a weak response.

I think you'll find lobbing a rock at someone and 10 people kicking someone's head in while they are on the ground would both attract similar charges from the guards (whose absence no doubt contributed to these events). Breaking someone's nose with a punch in an unprovoked attack the same. All 3 have been known to seriously injure or kill people and the only positive thing out of Sunday's events was that this didn't happen.

At the end of the day if Cork fans know who did it from their side and keep schtum, they have no right to expect Pats to do any different.

And where the offence occured has no bearing on whether or not someone can be banned. I understand a Finn Harps fan is facing a ban from Finn Park after throwing a missile at a Derry player in the Brandywell.

**NY Hoop** · 02/08/2005, 12:45 PM

Regrettable incidents all round. Was surprised no "journo" tried to link in Rovers fans to it!

However when a Rovers fans was glassed in the face in the Horseshoe a couple of years ago there wasnt quite the storm there is now.

KOH

**Pablo** · 02/08/2005, 2:57 PM

Originally Posted by NY Hoop

Regrettable incidents all round. Was surprised no "journo" tried to link in Rovers fans to it!

However when a Rovers fans was glassed in the face in the Horseshoe a couple of years ago there wasnt quite the storm there is now.

KOH

was that the Rovers fan who just wandered in for a quiet pint?

**Roverstillidie** · 02/08/2005, 3:30 PM

Originally Posted by Pablo

was that the Rovers fan who just wandered in for a quiet pint?

so when a pats fan launches a stone at a cork fan its attempted murder

when a cork fan grinds a glass into a rovers fans face he deserved it?

sort out your head pablo.

**BohDiddley** · 02/08/2005, 3:32 PM

A little less rhetoric and a straight answer to a straight question (above) might be more constructive right now Pablo.

**fbtn** · 02/08/2005, 3:42 PM

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

And where the offence occured has no bearing on whether or not someone can be banned. I understand a Finn Harps fan is facing a ban from Finn Park after throwing a missile at a Derry player in the Brandywell.

This is true...the statement from Harps here http://finnharps.openhosts.com/News/...brandywell.htm

Don't know how the Sligo Rovers fan can take the moral highground either. I personally know of a 15 year old Harps fan who had his nose broken outside the Showgrounds a few seasons back and I find it the ground with most potential for trouble. A lot more than the Harps-Derry derby games that is for sure.

A lot of regretable incidents but it is up to the fans of each club to point out the culprit - like happened in the Brandywell lately for the missle throwing incident.

BTW: As for holding on to the ball, I've done it myself. Wouldn't slag fans for that

**Colm** · 02/08/2005, 5:54 PM

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

I think you'll find lobbing a rock at someone and 10 people kicking someone's head in while they are on the ground would both attract similar charges from the guards (whose absence no doubt contributed to these events). Breaking someone's nose with a punch in an unprovoked attack the same. All 3 have been known to seriously injure or kill people and the only positive thing out of Sunday's events was that this didn't happen.

None of those incidents would have happened if it wasn't for a City fan nearly being killed by a rock that was thrown at us by a Pats fan.
The other 2 incidents were in reaction to this. Obviously City fans were going to fight back when under attack.

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

when a cork fan grinds a glass into a rovers fans face he deserved it?

The same situation as I outlined above. Rovers fans came into the Horseshoe throwing their weight around and causing hassle, City fans were bound to react.

Obviously all these incidents are regrettable and it would be much much better if they never happened but the Rebel Army have to be able to defend themselves if Dubs try to attack us.

**Slash/ED** · 02/08/2005, 5:55 PM

By attacking innocent people? If someone from Cork attacks me tomorrow can I drive up to your house tomorrow and attack you as a result?

I can't believe anyone is defending the 10 on 1 of the innocent Pats fan.

**Passive** · 02/08/2005, 6:09 PM

Originally Posted by superfrank

Certain Rovers fans deserve their bad name. At the match yesterday, they threw till-roll (like every team's fans do when they score, I'm not being sarcastic), in stoppage time the ball was knocked into the seats where they were and one gobsh!te held onto the ball for about a minute (again every team's fan do this at one stage) and after the match they threw a banger onto the pitch (........). I've never seen that at a football match in the eircom League before and it is disgraceful.

So, we deserve a bad name because we threw till-roll on the pitch? Jesus man, either get a grip or go and follow ballet.

To be honest, threads like this annoy me because everyone just ends up blaming everyone else. I've had rocks thrown at me or worse in Cork, Waterford, Richmond Park and Dalymount Park. This is football and, unfortunately, football attracts its share of idiots. It's the same the world over, despite what Sky tells you.

The incident at the Pats v Cork game sounded nasty, but the best way to avoid it is to have total segregation (something I approve of for several reasons; it did my nut in having Bray fans sitting near us on Sunday) and police doing their job.

For all the talk about violence at the EL, any football game in this country is still safer than walking down O'Connell Street after midnight. Violence effects society and, luckily, it doesn't effect the EL half as much as ********s in the Evening Herald and Evening Echo think.

**Colm** · 02/08/2005, 6:13 PM

Originally Posted by Slash/ED

I can't believe anyone is defending the 10 on 1 of the innocent Pats fan.

10 (or probably more) on 1 was a bit OTT but to be saying your man was innocent is totally inaccurate, he was goading the City fans with come and get me type gestures. If he's stupid enough to do that he deserves a few slaps (not from 10+ though obviously).

As for the fella who got his nose broken at full time, you've got to question why he walked onto the pitch and along nearly the length of the stand in order to walk through the middle of 300+ City fans after there had already been trouble. Then he starts gesturing and mouthing off, what did he expect would happen? He's just a lucky boy that someone smacked him before he got up the back where the really angry crowd of City fans were.

That's the way it happened. Obviously Pats fans will come on here and defend their own which is fair enough and some City fans who have personal differences with certain people will do likewise but that's my account of it and I have no personal problems or differences with any of the people who were involved.

Now can we just let it go please.

**OneRedArmy** · 02/08/2005, 6:14 PM

Originally Posted by Colm

None of those incidents would have happened if it wasn't for a City fan nearly being killed by a rock that was thrown at us by a Pats fan.
The other 2 incidents were in reaction to this. Obviously City fans were going to fight back when under attack.

Obviously all these incidents are regrettable and it would be much much better if they never happened but the Rebel Army have to be able to defend themselves if Dubs try to attack us.

So the basis of your argument is "they started it". Like to see you try that one in court.

You seem to have a problem distinguishing between self-defence and retaliation. What the Cork fans did was the latter, not the former. 10 lads kicking the crap out of someone is equally as cowardly as someone throwing a rock at someone else, if not more so as its took 10 brave souls to do it.

One criminal act doesn't excuse another criminal act in response.

And as for the "Dubs" v "the Rebel Army" purlease.......

you've either been watching too much Braveheart or listening to Dolan too much. Talk about over-dramatic?! Where you under attack from hordes of jackeens?

Shame on you as thank God these views aren't held by all the decent Cork fans most of us know.

I find it objectionable that somone with these views moderates this Forum.

Oh, and its clear why you want to let it go now that you've realised that some of your lot might be in trouble with the law. If this involved Rovers it would be stirred up for weeks.....

**Colm** · 02/08/2005, 6:15 PM

Originally Posted by Passive

So, we deserve a bad name because we threw till-roll on the pitch? Jesus man, either get a grip or go and follow ballet.

To be honest, threads like this annoy me because everyone just ends up blaming everyone else. I've had rocks thrown at me or worse in Cork, Waterford, Richmond Park and Dalymount Park. This is football and, unfortunately, football attracts its share of idiots. It's the same the world over, despite what Sky tells you.

The incident at the Pats v Cork game sounded nasty, but the best way to avoid it is to have total segregation (something I approve of for several reasons; it did my nut in having Bray fans sitting near us on Sunday) and police doing their job.

For all the talk about violence at the EL, any football game in this country is still safer than walking down O'Connell Street after midnight. Violence effects society and, luckily, it doesn't effect the EL half as much as ********s in the Evening Herald and Evening Echo think.

Well said. Excellent post.

**Colm** · 02/08/2005, 6:20 PM

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Where you under attack from hordes of jackeens? .

We didn't need to be. It only takes a small few. I'm sure the lad whose face could be scarred for life will agree with you ill informed BS!

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

I find it objectionable that somone with these views moderates this Forum.

What views?? The fact that I don't like seeing my friends or fellow City fans being attacked??

I find it objectionable that somebody who wasn't there and hasn't actually a clue what went on would see fit to comment on the matter.

**Passive** · 02/08/2005, 6:23 PM

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

If this involved Rovers it would be stirred up for weeks.....

As one of the lads said on the Rovers forum, if this had involved us the Dail would have been recalled.

We don't mind though, it's one of the drawbacks of being the country's only big club.

**Colm** · 02/08/2005, 6:27 PM

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Oh, and its clear why you want to let it go now that you've realised that some of your lot might be in trouble with the law. If this involved Rovers it would be stirred up for weeks.....

No I want to let it go because too many people on here haven't actually got a clue what happened and a re talking out their holes. I'll lock the thread unless people can deal in facts.
btw, if the law had actually been there, it probably wouldn't have escalated.

Also, I think you'll find that when Rovers were accused of causing hassle in Cork a couple of weeks ago. Myself and a few other City fans actually defended them on this forum.

**OneRedArmy** · 02/08/2005, 6:35 PM

Originally Posted by Colm

We didn't need to be. It only takes a small few. I'm sure the lad whose face could be scarred for life will agree with you ill informed BS!

What views?? The fact that I don't like seeing my friends or fellow City fans being attacked??

I find it objectionable that somebody who wasn't there and hasn't actually a clue what went on would see fit to comment on the matter.

Care to point on which bits are the ill-informed BS for my benefit?

Facts appear to be clear from various posts:
1) Cork fan hit with large piece of rubble and split open
2) 10 Cork fans get another Pats fan on the ground and kick the crap out of him
3) independently Cork fan slaps another Pats fan and breaks his nose

I'll give you a simple choice:
a) you can't get your head around why its not okay to retaliate when someone else starts something
b) you support the retialiation

You choose.

To most reasonable people the three acts above would be dealt with by the guards and hopefully result in a conviction.

That is the bottom line.

**soccerc** · 02/08/2005, 7:24 PM

Originally Posted by Colm

The same situation as I outlined above. Rovers fans came into the Horseshoe throwing their weight around and causing hassle, City fans were bound to react.

So, explain to me the behaviour of Cork fans in McDowells at half time, had someone reacted would that have been fair game?

Pat's fans and other locals didn't react to their goading and slagging, execept to laugh it off.

One Cork fans questioned me as to why I wouldn't clap hands to their singing of "If you hate Shamrock Rovers....".

My reply, simply because I don't. He seemed perplexed

**Colm** · 02/08/2005, 7:32 PM

Originally Posted by soccerc

So, explain to me the behaviour of Cork fans in McDowells at half time, had someone reacted would that have been fair game?

Pat's fans and other locals didn't react to their goading and slagging, execept to laugh it off.

One Cork fans questioned me as to why I wouldn't clap hands to their singing of "If you hate Shamrock Rovers....".

My reply, simply because I don't. He seemed perplexed

I wasn't aware City fans caused any trouble in McDowells at HT. I was in there and saw nothing, although it could have been out in the beer garden but I doubt it.

**BohDiddley** · 02/08/2005, 7:39 PM

If the mod gets involved in a discussion, and then locks it because he doesn't approve of its drift, surely that's a severe dent in foot.ie's credibility?
Need a bit more detachment there Colm.