Roe v Wade

[Razors left peg]

Well when you look at Switzerland's women's football team losing 7-1 to Luzern's U15s boys team last week, I think it's not entirely comparable.

Certainly males with some sort of sporting background (that is to say, not Cartman!) appear to have a significant advantage if they transition. Lia Thomas is the obvious example, but Hannah Mouncey (Australian Olympic handball) and Laurel Hubbard (New Zealand weightlifter) are other examples of mediocre male sportsmen becoming very good female sportsmen.

In that regard, I'm minded of Seb Coe saying he favours "fairness over inclusion"

Of course if trans people are rare, trans sportspeople are even rarer. I think the bigger issue really is the treatment of trans people, which I've discussed at some length in thread (though no-one has really picked up on it), because it covers (you could assume) all trans people, and many more who are incorrectly diagnosed as trans by activists.

Then you look at stuff like this ("More than one in five Gen Z adults — those born between 1997 and 2006 — identify as LGBTQ+") then there has to be an element that people are trying on these identities almost like clothes. I think there's an element that maybe we on this forum - who I'm going to assume mostly aren't Gen Z generation - don't quite appreciate the extent of this, whereas it's likely to explain the issues Crafty is seeing (I'm assuming here his clientele would be mostly Gen Z)

Jesus man, it was a joke.

[pineapple stu]

Fair enough. There's plenty of people who think it works that way though, unfortunately.