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    All this talk about a Third Tier seems to be a non-starter. Just look at the Ulster Senior League, hopeful of getting up and running again IN 2022/23 with a 7 team league structure. Monaghan United FC have just been announced along with four teams from Donegal, Bonagee United, Cockhill Celtic, Letterkenny Rovers and Finn Harps reserves and Derry City reserves in this USL.

    https://www.donegaldaily.com/2021/04...senior-league/

    If clubs like this are prepared to join this league now, what hope is there for the FAI in attracting new clubs to participate in a third tier of a National League structure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nr637 View Post
    All this talk about a Third Tier seems to be a non-starter. Just look at the Ulster Senior League, hopeful of getting up and running again IN 2022/23 with a 7 team league structure. Monaghan United FC have just been announced along with four teams from Donegal, Bonagee United, Cockhill Celtic, Letterkenny Rovers and Finn Harps reserves and Derry City reserves in this USL.

    https://www.donegaldaily.com/2021/04...senior-league/

    If clubs like this are prepared to join this league now, what hope is there for the FAI in attracting new clubs to participate in a third tier of a National League structure?
    If Derry and Finn Harps are content to be in the Ulster SL, it'll save LoI third tier clubs on the journey.
    As far as I know, the LSL and MSL are against reserve sides. The USL is an example of starting with a blank canvas. If senior leagues aren't taking in reserve sides, a third tier is the route to take.
    A Championship: 4 years - 8 first teams - 0 financially ruined. First Division '14: 7 first teams.
    Opportunity seems lost somewhere in between for new clubs/regions to become part of LoI family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nr637 View Post
    All this talk about a Third Tier seems to be a non-starter. Just look at the Ulster Senior League, hopeful of getting up and running again IN 2022/23 with a 7 team league structure. Monaghan United FC have just been announced along with four teams from Donegal, Bonagee United, Cockhill Celtic, Letterkenny Rovers and Finn Harps reserves and Derry City reserves in this USL.

    https://www.donegaldaily.com/2021/04...senior-league/

    If clubs like this are prepared to join this league now, what hope is there for the FAI in attracting new clubs to participate in a third tier of a National League structure?
    TBF, that article is from April last year, and the USL Facebook page mentions Monaghan playing Bonagee in a League Cup Final, so evidently the 2021-22 season must have gone ahead - seems bizarre though that their website appears to have been hijacked by Indonesians!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nr637 View Post
    All this talk about a Third Tier seems to be a non-starter. Just look at the Ulster Senior League, hopeful of getting up and running again IN 2022/23 with a 7 team league structure. Monaghan United FC have just been announced along with four teams from Donegal, Bonagee United, Cockhill Celtic, Letterkenny Rovers and Finn Harps reserves and Derry City reserves in this USL.

    https://www.donegaldaily.com/2021/04...senior-league/

    If clubs like this are prepared to join this league now, what hope is there for the FAI in attracting new clubs to participate in a third tier of a National League structure?
    Quote Originally Posted by culloty82 View Post
    TBF, that article is from April last year, and the USL Facebook page mentions Monaghan playing Bonagee in a League Cup Final, so evidently the 2021-22 season must have gone ahead - seems bizarre though that their website appears to have been hijacked by Indonesians!
    Ulster Senior League just completed their season fairly recently. Monaghan United done the full season there and finished mid table.
    It's been a dying league for a few years now with several clubs that were firm USL sides, Fanad United, Swilly Rovers and my own club Drumkeen United all going back to Donegal League in recent years.

    Their website is a mess, and their press is fairly poor as well. I don't see the league surviving if the third tier comes about.

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    Looking back on the entire history of the First Division, it transpires that the lowest-ever points tally was a mere 2 recorded by Kilkenny City in 1994-95 (P27 W0 D2 L25, GF14 GA83) , so however rough Kerry might find the going, they should certainly top that mark!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994%E...First_Division

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    The only Kerry player in the Premier Division, Gary O'Neill, is expressing caution, as the best potential footballers will always prioritise GAA:

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/...medium=twitter

    That said, there is no shortage of underage and senior engagement with the sport in the county, so ultimately, as with previous clubs, it'll be investment and attendances that determine the short and medium-term prospects.

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    I'm sure Gary was fairly handy at GAA himself but he chose the football route.

    Yes, there will be players who chose GAA over playing for Kerry FC but there are in all counties and in different countries there are different sports vying for the same players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JC_GUFC View Post
    I'm sure Gary was fairly handy at GAA himself but he chose the football route.

    Yes, there will be players who chose GAA over playing for Kerry FC but there are in all counties and in different countries there are different sports vying for the same players.
    Gary chose soccer because he came from a staunchly soccer household. His Dad managed the Kerry Kennedy cup team back in the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by culloty82 View Post
    The only Kerry player in the Premier Division, Gary O'Neill, is expressing caution, as the best potential footballers will always prioritise GAA:
    I think the "always" claim is a bit OTT. There is no money (proper money anyway) in GAA, whereas LOI offers a chance to get at least some income from your sport - and even a full-time job out of it if you're good enough. There appears no interest within the GAA to stop being an amateur organisation, so as football grows in the county the need to earn a living will increasingly factor for some. It's not as if the Kerry GAA team are all-conquering these days either, which if they were would make the lean towards GAA stronger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EatYerGreens View Post
    I think the "always" claim is a bit OTT. There is no money (proper money anyway) in GAA, whereas LOI offers a chance to get at least some income from your sport - and even a full-time job out of it if you're good enough. There appears no interest within the GAA to stop being an amateur organisation, so as football grows in the county the need to earn a living will increasingly factor for some. It's not as if the Kerry GAA team are all-conquering these days either, which if they were would make the lean towards GAA stronger.
    The majority of the Kerry squad would have cars on loan form car dealers and jobs that allow them time off to train and in many cases got the job because of the GAA.
    In the long run the money "earned" from GAA would be more than all but the top echelon of LOI players

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbgawa View Post
    The majority of the Kerry squad would have cars on loan form car dealers and jobs that allow them time off to train and in many cases got the job because of the GAA.
    In the long run the money "earned" from GAA would be more than all but the top echelon of LOI players
    All valid points. Whether people like it or not, there is a status with being a GAA intercounty player in many counties.
    A Championship: 4 years - 8 first teams - 0 financially ruined. First Division '14: 7 first teams.
    Opportunity seems lost somewhere in between for new clubs/regions to become part of LoI family.

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    Yes, you don't change a sporting culture overnight, especially where the pressure to specialise in one comes at an increasingly early age. That said, many of the underage players come from backgrounds where there's no family tradition of Gaelic football, which would be a change from previous generations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by legendz View Post
    All valid points. Whether people like it or not, there is a status with being a GAA intercounty player in many counties.
    The social status would be the biggest factor imo. The cars and jobs are all well and good but the status gained by wearing a Kerry gaa jersey shouldn't be underestimated. Even a lad who's a sub on the Kerry minor team becomes something of a star in his own little town once he's pulled on that jersey.

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    Limerick had a rake of players from Kerry at one stage around the year we made the playoffs and got demolished up in the Brandywell - Stephen O'Mahony, James Sugrue, (David?) Conway, Timmy Lynch... I'm definitely missing a couple more too. Some of them were handy players, I think O'Mahony got U-19 Irish caps. There was a Goggin but he might have been a few years later and I think that keeper Hennessy who was with Cobh and maybe Waterford around that era was from Kerry too. Add in, more recently, the likes of the two Dennehys, Guthrie, Paudie Quinn... they produce some players, GAA or no GAA. None of that is to downplay the strength of Gaelic in the place but I don't think they'll struggle to fill a team either. The likes of Denis Behan and Sean Brosnan could have been lured in that direction from West Limerick had their been a senior team in Kerry before too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EatYerGreens View Post
    I think the "always" claim is a bit OTT. There is no money (proper money anyway) in GAA, whereas LOI offers a chance to get at least some income from your sport - and even a full-time job out of it if you're good enough.
    How much money do you think Kerry FC will be paying players?

    I think in fairness to the GAA too, it has community spirit down pat and playing county (even underage) I'd say means a lot to the guys. I'm not sure Kerry in the LoI can match that side of things. Money isn't everything.

    Also what sbgawa said about side benefits of playing GAA. I think you can even claim travel expenses tax free (which you can't with LoI). Certainly I've heard of it happening (which doesn't necessarily mean it's allowed...)

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    GAA is still king in many parts of the country. Several members of the Donegal gaelic football panel have played underage LOI, and even senior LOI, and had their heads turned by the GAA. You'll get a job, quite healthy expenses, and a lot of perks from playing GAA. Some of the same lads in Donegal GAA circles could have made a decent career for themselves out of football as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    How much money do you think Kerry FC will be paying players?
    The issue was about young people choosing between two different sports. Kerry FC are not the only footballing option in Ireland, nevermind in the world

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    He's specifically talking about the problems Kerry might have building a competitive local squad though

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    In any case, as well as the current underage set-up, you can throw in any interested players from both Killarney clubs, Castleisland and Dynamos, in particular - one can question how long it would take to bring them up to national competitiveness, but with Celtic having had decent Junior Cup runs in recent seasons, there would be plenty in their ranks wanting to try the First Division, I suspect.

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    Matt Keane lining out for us was signed from Killarney is one who they might get. Can't be making a fortune at Treaty & although there aren't UK or even LOI Prem scouts lining up to watch him, he is a solid DIV1 midfielder & a Kerryman. Wouldn't be surprised to see that move happen.
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