Attendances 2022

[EatYerGreens]

Then that's the remaining £3m, then. (And I still think that the Council's £7m was predicated on their getting at least some of it back when the full allocation for DCFC came through from Stormont, though I accept I could be wrong about that).

If you think public funding anywhere works on the basis of one body spending money and then expecting it to be paid back by a higher authority in the future without any formal agreement to do so, then you clearly don't understand how public finances work. And I'd also like to borrow some money from you too on that basis

Can't comment on that specifically, but the stadium "footprint" is very big, no? Besides, to take it eg to 8k, it would be nearer 4k, also not all the extra capacity may be seating - part standing could also help, whilst being cheaper to build.

Serious question here - have you ever set foot in the Brandywell ? Because from the sounds of the above you don't seem to know the stadium at all.

[nigel-harps1954]

Recap of the weekends attendances then. Anyone able to fill in the gaps?

Cork v Galway - 4,984
Derry v Shamrock Rovers - 3,325
Waterford v Bray - 2,372
Drogheda v Shels - 1,463

Pats v Sligo - 4,000 est
UCD v Harps - 750 est

No figures from:

Bohs v Dundalk
Cobh v Wexford

[DCWA]

Serious question here - have you ever set foot in the Brandywell ? Because from the sounds of the above you don't seem to know the stadium at all.

That is an unfair and unnecessary retort - Ealing Green is entirely right in what is said - there is ample room in the Brandywell for it and a small amount of terracing could help boost capacity.

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

Recap of the weekends attendances then. Anyone able to fill in the gaps?

Cork v Galway - 4,984
Derry v Shamrock Rovers - 3,325
Waterford v Bray - 2,372
Drogheda v Shels - 1,463

Pats v Sligo - 4,000 est
UCD v Harps - 750 est

No figures from:

Bohs v Dundalk
Cobh v Wexford

698 in Cobh - league twitter account

[Buller]

I remember going to a FD league game in Oriel Park in Nov 1986 when Monaghan asked to move their 'home' Derry game, there was def more than 5k at that one alone. I also recall their home crowds in FD being up to 12k.

Wow. All before my time. I stand corrected and astounded!

[oriel]

I haven't seen the Pats figure (4k) confirmed anywhere, but on looking at photos, 3 main parts of the ground looked very well populated, looked a very decent crowd.

Surprised Bohs didn't give figure, mind you Dundalk didn't either v Derry, it really can't be that hard to provide, esp with so many ST sales by most clubs, all you need to do it count away then those who paid in on the day / other tickets.

[nigel-harps1954]

Dundalk, Pats, UCD, Athlone and Bray are all off the Christmas card list, as I've had to go with estimates from each of their first home games.

[EatYerGreens]

I haven't seen the Pats figure (4k) confirmed anywhere, but on looking at photos, 3 main parts of the ground looked very well populated, looked a very decent crowd.

Surprised Bohs didn't give figure, mind you Dundalk didn't either v Derry, it really can't be that hard to provide, esp with so many ST sales by most clubs, all you need to do it count away then those who paid in on the day / other tickets.

It should be a requirement of league membership that clubs have to issues attendance figures for every game.

[EatYerGreens]

That is an unfair and unnecessary retort - Ealing Green is entirely right in what is said - there is ample room in the Brandywell for it and a small amount of terracing could help boost capacity.

Firstly - EalingGreen has form on this. Like when he recently lectured everyone on here repeatedly about non-league football in Ireland in the context of the proposed new LOI 3rd tier. Which he clearly didn't have a clue about it, and just sloped away form the conversation when repeatedly challenged by a number o fpeople.

Secondly - He asserts that Brandywell's stadium footprint is "very big". It isn't. He also said the Brandywell could easily have its capacity increased to 8,000. That isn't true either. There is the proposed extension of the Mark Farren Stand, which is well known and therefore priced into these discussions already. That would add something like 2,000 max ? Then there is the area behind one goal where a small amount of additional terracing could be created (although there might be an issue with a retaining wall there). The end behnd the other goal can't be used to increase capacity as it is used for people to access the stadium, and it also has the greyhound track cutting into it (look at an aerial picture of the Branywell and you'll see what I mean).

So where are thousands more people going to be accommodated at the Brandywell beyond the Mark Farren Stand ?

[Nesta99]

Wow. All before my time. I stand corrected and astounded!

I remember being completely overawed by the Derry support as a kid back then and even the following few seasons where Dundalk fans were massively outnumbered at home.

[EalingGreen]

If you think public funding anywhere works on the basis of one body spending money and then expecting it to be paid back by a higher authority in the future without any formal agreement to do so, then you clearly don't understand how public finances work.

Er, Stormont will disburse this funding to the relevant stadium owners. And who owns the Brandywell? That would be Derry & Strabane Council!

Which is why the local SDLP Councillors are demanding the money be paid out now (don't mean to get political, but SF councillors can't say anything, since it is their Minister who is in charge of Sports funding)

Serious question here - have you ever set foot in the Brandywell ? Because from the sounds of the above you don't seem to know the stadium at all.

Not since it was all rebuilt, no.

But looking at the plan, the Farran Stand could be extended the full length of the pitch, while there should still be space for a small stand behind one of the goals, no?

Which might not take it up to 8k (quoted as the ballpark figure for The Oval) but would make a substantial increase to The Brandywell (double it?)



EDIT: Just seen your post #146 and I would count DCWA's observations above yours (see eg #140).

[pineapple stu]

It should be a requirement of league membership that clubs have to issues attendance figures for every game.

Meh. People just won't believe them anyway.

[SeanDrog]

Drogs vs UCD free entry (online tickets) this weekend.

[nigel-harps1954]

It should be a requirement of league membership that clubs have to issues attendance figures for every game.

They do have to send a figure onto the FAI for every game.

[EatYerGreens]

Er, Stormont will disburse this funding to the relevant stadium owners. And who owns the Brandywell? That would be Derry & Strabane Council!

Which is why the local SDLP Councillors are demanding the money be paid out now (don't mean to get political, but SF councillors can't say anything, since it is their Minister who is in charge of Sports funding)

All of which is a side step from the point I challenged you on. Which was your claim that the Derry council spent money on Brandywell in the expectation that Stormont would pay some of that back to them form this £36m stadia fund. Which is just made up nonesense (presumably to dig yourself out of the whole of saying that Brandywell was looking for £10m out of the fund) Hence why you've deflected onto something unconnected in your respnose here after I challenged you on that claim. Please stop making stuff up.

Not since it was all rebuilt, no.

In fairness, it shows

But looking at the plan, the Farran Stand could be extended the full length of the pitch, while there should still be space for a small stand behind one of the goals, no?

Which might not take it up to 8k (quoted as the ballpark figure for The Oval) but would make a substantial increase to The Brandywell (double it?)



EDIT: Just seen your post #146 and I would count DCWA's observations above yours (see eg #140).

All of which I addressed above. Maybe 2,000 form the Mark Farren Stand, and at best 100-200 behind one goal (?) ? Which would make the stadium something like 5,500 absolute max. So where are you getting 8,000 from ?

Apologies if I'm being robust in my challenge on this, but after your performance on the Third Tier thread I'm growing weary of someone from outside our league barging in to lecture us on stuff they clearly don't understand, and in some cases are even patently making up.

[EalingGreen]

All of which is a side step from the point I challenged you on. Which was your claim that the Derry council spent money on Brandywell in the expectation that Stormont would pay some of that back to them form this £36m stadia fund. Which is just made up nonesense (presumably to dig yourself out of the whole of saying that Brandywell was looking for £10m out of the fund) Hence why you've deflected onto something unconnected in your respnose here after I challenged you on that claim. Please stop making stuff up.

There is no question but that DCFC qualifies for a share of the £36m allocated for Stormont's Sub-Regional Stadium funding - everyone accepts that.

At the time it was first announced, it was widely believed that Glens and DCFC would each get c.£10m (Robinson's and McGuinness' work, basically).

This would fit in with the rationale of having another couple of decent-sized, UEFA-standard stadia for important games at the next level down from senior internationals. Building in Belfast and Derry also satisfied both communities, as well as widening the geographical spread.

While DCFC's share will have been due to be paid to the stadium owners, in this case the Council. Which in turn means the Council felt able to advance a significant sum (£7m?) to circumvent the delay from Stormont fannying about, while now awaiting the balance (£3m?).

You seem determined to contradict everything I've written on this topic, so if anything I've written above is incorrect, then I'd be interested in hearing how so from you*.

As for the details (capacity, exact sums etc), I freely acknowledge that I don't know these; then again, neither do you.

Nonetheless the general principle of what I've posted remains: a very significant sum from Stormont was allocated to redevelop the Brandywell, with this to be used by the stadium owners (Council), to provide a major increase to the capacity and facilities in the ground.


* - I'd appreciate if you kept to the subject of DCFC/Brandywell, rather than launching ad hominem attacks on other matters, in a transparent attempt to deflect from the fact that you have got this wrong.

[brendy_éire]

Derry v Shamrock Rovers - 3,325

The match was sold out, as I'd tonight's. The capacity of the Brandywell is approximately 3,700, so not sure how they arrived at that figure.

Are media, hospitality and the like included in the figures? Or is it counted on actual tickets sold?
Mind you, it is always convenient for the club to claim the lower attendance.

[Nesta99]

The match was sold out, as I'd tonight's. The capacity of the Brandywell is approximately 3,700, so not sure how they arrived at that figure.

Are media, hospitality and the like included in the figures? Or is it counted on actual tickets sold?
Mind you, it is always convenient for the club to claim the lower attendance.

Why do you think that?

[EatYerGreens]

There is no question but that DCFC qualifies for a share of the £36m allocated for Stormont's Sub-Regional Stadium funding - everyone accepts that.

Well no actually, The money is for stadiums and not for clubs. It would therefore be the Brandywell and Derry council that qualifies, not Derry City. It's not just a pedantic point, it's an important distinction.

At the time it was first announced, it was widely believed that Glens and DCFC would each get c.£10m (Robinson's and McGuinness' work, basically).

Widely believed by who ? You're the only person who's ever claimed Brandywell was supposed to get £10m from this Stormont fund. I challenge you to provide any creddible sources which state that. It has always been just £3m for the Brandywell from this sum.

While DCFC's share will have been due to be paid to the stadium owners, in this case the Council. Which in turn means the Council felt able to advance a significant sum (£7m?) to circumvent the delay from Stormont fannying about, while now awaiting the balance (£3m?).

This is just made up though. The Couciil in Derry didn't advance money re the work at Brandywell. It was always going to pay 70% of the total £10m cost with the other £3m coming from this Stormont fund. And no-one knew at that time that there would be the ongoing delays that Stormont have done on this ever since. I'm sorry, but you're just desperately trying to make it look like what you've been saying on this issue is right when it patently isn't.

You seem determined to contradict everything I've written on this topic, so if anything I've written above is incorrect, then I'd be interested in hearing how so from you*.

I'm determined to contradict you on the things you write which are incorrect, And i've repeatedly pointed out in what way they're incorrect, and provided evidence re the £7m council funding. You've provided no evidence to back up your various claims re Stormont Sub-regional fund agreement to pay £10m for the Brandywell, the council expecting that fund to repay it etc). And some of it is patently just wrong. Yet you continue to double-down on it all - just like you did in the Third Tier discussion when you were pulled up there for saying stuff that was just wrong.

As for the details (capacity, exact sums etc), I freely acknowledge that I don't know these; then again, neither do you.

I think it's fair to say from everything we've both written that I at least have a clearer and better grasp of this issue than yourself.

* - I'd appreciate if you kept to the subject of DCFC/Brandywell, rather than launching ad hominem attacks on other matters..

If you don't like being pulled up for barging into debates with patently false claims that you then argue to the death to try to defend in a Trumpian manner, then don't act that way

in a transparent attempt to deflect from the fact that you have got this wrong.

Oh FFS. Now you're just gaslighting

[EatYerGreens]

Why do you think that?

They pay VAT on gates in the north.