They're waiting on Stormont funding. And the SF Minister responsible there is holding the football money hostage until they get more for the Casement Park cost increases. So nothing of anything seems to be happening. We grumble about things down here, the Childrens' Hospital etc - but the north is a proper political basket case where nothing happens.
A few months back(?), I suggested that when the original £36m Sub-Regional Funding was first agreed, over a decade ago, Peter Robinson and Martin McGujinness had already (unofficially) earmarked £!0m of it each for The Oval (PR) and the Brandywell (MM).
And when I suggested that Derry & Strabane Council may have advanced £3m for Phase 1 of the Brandywell redevelopment, in anticipation of future Sub-Regional funding from Stormont, you poo-poohed the idea, on two counts:
1. Specifically that Stormont can't just disburse this money to a Council i.e. you were clearly unaware that the Council actually owned the Brandywell and so qualified; and
2. More generally, that "that's not how these things work" (paraphrasing).
Yet by your above comments in bold, you're actually reinforcing the fact that that's exactly how these things work!
Parish-pump politics of the worst kind.
Last edited by EalingGreen; 15/09/2022 at 5:15 PM.
I can't believe you've leapt into this hackneyed old hole to start digging it deeper again for yourself !
The above is just pure bullsh!t. Go away and look at what I actually wrote and the schooling I had to give you about the whole thing, and then come back and see if you want to keep digging yourself deeper again
What, you expect me to look for something which you claim rubbishes my point? Very strange, I must say.
How about YOU find the "hole" which you claim exists. Or are you reluctant to do so, since it would reveal that you were the one behind the wheel of the mechanical digger.
P.S. I usually find on such forums that whenever someone claims to have "schooled" another poster, without offering any actual evidence, its a clear sign that he/she is bluffing, especially when expressed in more intemperate language than usual.
You made two patently false claims re the Brandywell :
1) That Derry council were seeking £10m from Stormont to complete the stadium.
2) That Brandywell can be upgraded to 8,000 as a result.
I refer you back to my below response of 22nd May 2022 (Post #6925 on the 'Stadium Updates thread'), where I dissected your points on this :
Then - as you always do when you're schooled on here - rather than just hold your hands up and accept you got it wrong, you did your usual disappearing act. Just like you vanished in the discussion on LSL clubs after you repeatedly made claims about the clubs there which everyone pointed out to you were just wrong. You failed to respond to the above post, and now here you are 7mths later on a different thread unearthing your nonsesense claims again, and making up what I allegedly said. Presumably your failure to respond previously was because you couldn't refute the points I'd made.
Now you're back again on this hobby horse again, your latest points aren't even correct with what you yourself said previously. To reiterate - the council in Derry never forwarded any money to Stormont, and certainly not £3m. It spent SEVEN MILLION of its own money completing what it thought would be Phase 1 of a redevelopment project. The ENTIRE project was costed at TEN MILLION, hence they were looking for THREE MILLION from Stormont to complete it via the Phase 2 work which bhasn't happened yet. I have previously posted articles that back all this up, yet you're still wanging on about what is patently nonsense.
You really are a poor attempt at a troll on here sometimes. For the love of God, please just give it a rest.
Last edited by EatYerGreens; 16/09/2022 at 12:42 PM.
Wrong!
I said that Stormont had (unofficially) earmarked £10m each for The Oval and the Brandywell to provide 2 x medium sized stadia in NI.
And since the Council owns the Brandywell - something you had to be informed of - supplying funding to them would, after the large Regional Stadium at Windsor, serve the second leg of the strategy, and suit everyones agenda, as follows:
They are the two biggest clubs in NI along with Linfield; Both are in the two biggest cities; Both provide a georgraphical spread; and (crucially) Both lie in the constituencies of the then FM and DFM.
Which explains the following:
"In November 2016, then deputy first minister Martin McGuiness said he expected funding for phase two for Derry City’s stadium to be allocated in 2017."
https://www.derrydaily.net/2021/08/1...-funding-date/
and
"A sum of £10m has already been earmarked for the [Glentoran] project in the Northern Ireland Executive's sub-regional stadia programme for soccer which was published [in December 2015]."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-38175609
Meanwhile, the third leg of the strategy would see the remaining £16m go to various small regional stadia.
Neither you nor I know exactly how much the stadium could be enlarged. But even if it couldn't extend to 8k, the original Stormont scheme proposed medium-sized stadia of 6-8k:
Purpose: To provide funding towards the achievement of safe stadia. The
stadium should be suitable for hosting high level competition matches with a
moderate capacity level of 6,000 to 8,000 persons.
Budget: A budget of circa £10 million will be made available for this strand.
Maximum Award: The maximum award available is up to £10 million.
Partnership Funding: A minimum of 20% partnership funding is required.
https://www.communities-ni.gov.uk/co...programme-socc
And there is no doubt that the Brandywell could be enlarged to hold 6k.
(Incidentally, with the recent introduction of Safe Standing in GB, the Glens are now looking to rebuild The Oval to 10k, with two 1k standing terraces at either end and 8k in two seated stands along the sides).
The rest of your post is blether.
So you can have the last word?
OK, if you must, fire away.
Last edited by EalingGreen; 16/09/2022 at 2:02 PM.
Lads, respectfully, I enjoy both of your posts when you're engaging with literally anybody but each other...
Please show where I have ever needed to be told that the Council owned the Brandywell ? I've known since the minute Derry enterded the LOII in 1985 that the council own their ground. So back your claim up here or withdraw it.
You have provided zero evidence for your claim that Stormont allocated £10m for the Brandywell. Zero. Yet I have previously posted articles which showed that the total cost of refurbishing the Brandywell was £10m - of which the council has already spent £7m in Phase 1. What the hell are they going to do with £10m at that stadium now ? It just needs a single stand completed ? Phase 1 of the Brandywell cost £7m and did the following :
1) Mark Farren Stand (part built).
2) New pitch.
3) New relocated Greyhound Stadium.
4) New perimeter walling around ground.
5) Issues adressed re the Sounthend Stand.
6) New turnstiles and electronic system all around the ground
7) Temporary toilets, shop etc.
8) Doubtless other stuff I didn't notice there too
So having done that with only £7m - please tell us all what Derry council need £10m from Stormont for ? You;re talking utter rubbish here.
This is all very well, but sheds ZERO light on your claims re the Brandywell. You're just throwing sand in the air in an effort to confuse people. I've never denied that there was a cosy wee unofficial deal done between Robinson and McGuinness over the Brandywell and the Oval. It was well reported in the media. The point of difference is for how much, as the media only ever claimed £10m for The Oval - not the Brandywell. I've provided evidence that the TOTAL Brandywell project cost was £10m, with the council covering £7 of that and the rest being sought from Stomront. You've provided zero evidence to back up your cliams, which don't even survive simple common sense let alone evidence. Yet still you persist. PLEASE PROVIDE EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM THAT £10M IS BEING SOUGHT BY DERRY FROM STORMONT. If you can;t then stop repeating it.
I know for an absolute fact that the Brandywell could not be increased to 8,000 by the expenditure of another £3m, or by utilising the current footprint of the stadium and its existing stands. I know this because it's blatantly obvious common sense to anyone with eyes. Just like Tallaght can't be increased to 20,000 by building the North Stand. LOOK AT GOOGLE EARTH - THERE ISN'T THE FCUKING ROOM AT THE BRANDYWELL!! The only way you would get Brandywell to 8,000 would be to flatten it and start again. But this has never been on the cards. Again - please stop claiming that night is day here. Repeating a false claim doesn't magically make it true. It's just Trumpist nonesense.
More sand being thrown in people's eyes on this. It doesn't matter what that says, it doesn't alter the blindingly obvious fact that you can't get 8,000 capacity at the Brandywell within the existing footprint, or without flattening the place and starting again. I'll keep repeating it until you accept the undeniably obvious reality of this. Or at the very least provide any evidence that the plan was ever for the Brandywell to have 8,000 capacity. Again - put up or shut up.
I've never said it couldn't. I've pointed out that completing the Mark Farren Stand would get it to the region of 5,500. So I've no idea why you feel this is such a revelation.
On the irony ! Your posts on this - as on so many other issues - are just unedvidenced. made up fantasy. You really need to just stop repeating it, as it doesn't make it true.
MODERATORS - Can you do something to stop someone continually just trolling on stuff like this? Surely if claims are going to be continually restated and someone goaded over them then they need to be backed up with evidence? Apologies - but this is maddening and frustrating. And it's something that Ealing Green does on a regular basis (again - reference his infamous lecture to everyone about the state of LSL clubs, which was completely made up nonsesense that he refused to accept was so and then just disappeared when the heat was piling on). Surely if stuff gets challenged repeatedly then the onus is on the poster to provide evidence or just stop repeating falsehoods ?
Last edited by EatYerGreens; 16/09/2022 at 2:38 PM.
3,500 at EDP tonight.
3,612 at the RSC for the cup game.
How big was the crowd at Eamonn Deasy Park yesterday?
"Now jump up there and stuff that son of a bitch in the basket, chief"
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