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If you disagree, there's a support forum to complain about it. Any further posts in this forum on the topic will be deleted.Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Well the fact it's been explained to Terri a 101 times between multiple Irish forums we'll probably be here again in a few months talking about the same thing.
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Certainly sounds like there is a growing acceptance Casement will be a non-runner for 2028, even if the powers that be don't want to admit it: https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2024/...casement-park/
Anything to be said for moving it to Crossmaglen?
Its really not that complicated!!!
Officially confirmed tonight that Casement will not be getting built for the tournament. Therefore the north will not be hosting any games at Euro 2028.
Important now that it's clarified that one of the additional qualification places for hosts can only be allocated to the north if the four nations that are actually hosting games are already qualified (if at all). Would be a nonsense for them to be given a place ahead of an actual host nation.
When previous Euro's have been jointly hosted - Belgium/Netherlands or Austria/Switzerland or Poland/Ukraine - then both hosts were granted automatic qualification, despite there only being 16 finals places in total back then.
Obviously we cannot permit all five teams automatic places for 2028. But considering that there are now 24 places up for grabs, it's hardly unreasonable that two places should still be guaranteed, even if the other three of the five qualify in the normal manner.
On which point, England are pretty much a shoo-in, and there must be a reasonable chance that at least one of the other four should make it. Thereafter two of the other four qualifying by the usual method is hardly impossible, as we saw eg in France in 2016 when four out of five managed it, or 3 from five in 2020 (though only two made it in 2024).
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/...452274191.html
If the games are being spread out so an extra game is given to Ireland, Scotland, and Wales would be great if they could play that one game in Cork unless it's gonna cost a lot of money for just one game. Be better off using the Aviva unless the government are already have plans for Croke Park. Move a game or two to Croke Park if we qualify.
Oh dear! There is no chance of Croke Park being used, for the simple fact that no one city is permitted to host two groups/sets of games - even England aren't allowed to use Wembley for their Group games (assuming they qualify), since the Tottenham Stadium has got the London gig. (Wembley will host the Final, and possibly both Semi-Finals, but I think that's all).
As for Páirc Uí Chaoimh, I'm not at all familiar with the stadium, but googling suggests it only has 21k seats - well short of UEFA's 30k minimum, while two uncovered terraced ends holding 12k each are a complete no/no. In addition to which, I seriously doubt that PUC meets UEFA's other tournament stadium requirements, which are notoriously demanding (eg state-of-the-art media facilities). Plus they require control of the stadium (I think) one month before games actually take place - hardly likely during the height of the GAA season.
Oh, and off the top of my head, there are already several other stadia in England which could probably meet the requirements right now eg Southampton, Brighton, Derby, Sunderland, Forest, Leicester etc - why would UEFA prioritise a stadium from a competing sport over one of its own?
But apart from that...
Cork GAA wouldn't give two ****s if they're getting a bag of cash in exchange. Sure they moved a home hurling fixture to Semple Stadium and played the football game in their other stadium to accommodate Ed Sheeran.Oh dear! There is no chance of Croke Park being used, for the simple fact that no one city is permitted to host two groups/sets of games - even England aren't allowed to use Wembley for their Group games (assuming they qualify), since the Tottenham Stadium has got the London gig. (Wembley will host the Final, and possibly both Semi-Finals, but I think that's all).
As for Páirc Uí Chaoimh, I'm not at all familiar with the stadium, but googling suggests it only has 21k seats - well short of UEFA's 30k minimum, while two uncovered terraced ends holding 12k each are a complete no/no. In addition to which, I seriously doubt that PUC meets UEFA's other tournament stadium requirements, which are notoriously demanding (eg state-of-the-art media facilities). Plus they require control of the stadium (I think) one month before games actually take place - hardly likely during the height of the GAA season.
Oh, and off the top of my head, there are already several other stadia in England which could probably meet the requirements right now eg Southampton, Brighton, Derby, Sunderland, Forest, Leicester etc - why would UEFA prioritise a stadium from a competing sport over one of its own?
But apart from that...
Highly doubt it will be used anyway because wasn't up to par for the rugby WC which probably aren't half as strict as FIFA.
Fair enough on that point, but as for the rest, it isn't Cork GAA, or Dublin/the Minister who get to decide, it's UEFA.
Hadn't realised that (rugby). And yes, that won't have been nearly so strict. UEFA's Tournament Requirements for Euro2024 was 190 pages long, almost 100 of which concerned Stadia - the level of detail is phenomenal:
https://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles...1_DOWNLOAD.pdf
I don't imagine 2028 will be any less stringent...
I would say uefa would like to give the now available venue to some other country than England. The fact that they have dozens of stadia ready to go and didn't apply by themselves tells its own tale.
Scotland should get their act together and talk to the rugby guys about Murrayfield as an option
Yup a solution should be found that allows Ireland, Scotland, and Wales to get some extra games if possible rather than just letting England take them all. Otherwise might as well have just left them enter the bid as an England bid.
They would have won it anyway as just an England bid given their only competition was Turkey(?) and Uefa are giving them nothing.
The FA are not especially popular within UEFA - part arrogance, part a reluctance to cosy up to whatever jerk is running the operation at the time. While UEFA want to encourage joint bids/discourage solo bids, otherwise only the same half dozen countries could ever host a 24 team event on their own - one of whom is Turkey, who UEFA really don't want to get it (even less popular than England!).
And of course England could host it on their own, but for the political (small "p") reasons above, roped in the other 4 Associations for their votes and their lobbying. (ROI also had the advantage of not being UK, but in the EU).
Can't see England, whose bid it effectively was, ever being happy to "allow" Scotland to have two venues, while the SFA had no bargaining power, since without England, there is/was no chance of the Euro's coming to Scotland. Nor can I see the SFA wanting to do Rugby any favours: i.e. should Scotland qualify, they'll be happy with playing their own games at Hampden.
Realistically it is England's tournament (see my post above).
While the one stadium-per-city rules screws Wales, since they don't have another suitable stadium outside Cardiff; or ROI one outside Dublin, nor Scotland one outside Glasgow other than Murrayfield, which besides being Rugby, may not even meet all UEFA's very strict requirements.
I genuinely don't mean to seem "humble" in a Uriah Heap kind of way, but we (the other four) should be grateful that England gave us some of the cake, even if it is just a small slice. Or in NI's case, a few crumbs. If we're lucky.
I'd personally think it'd be a win for everyone if the Casement Park's games were moved to Croke Park. It's just an hour 45 mins from Belfast by car and 1 hour 15 mins from somewhere like Warrenpoint. Means if NI qualify, they could have an easily accessible stadium for their fans. Would also be easier for NI to hold onto training bases etc for teams, if there were more games on the island.
I understand the 1 stadium per city rule, but I reckon that's relatively movable, considering the unique circumstances. The fact it was shortlisted is also a sign of this - why would they shortlist 2 dublin stadia if they had no possibility at all of using Croke Park.
the only issue i can see is the amount of hotel beds - but i think the spill just spreads outwards - across the pale and maybe into Belfast as well, which is another positive for NI.
Last edited by elatedscum; 17/09/2024 at 10:53 PM.
having read up on it, i don't think it's a Uefa rule at all or there's nothing that even indicates Uefa care about. Euro 2004 for example had 2 in Porto and 2 in Lisbon, comparable cities to Dublin
The bid decided to adopt it as a principal:
FAI CEO Jonathan Hill earlier explained that London aside, the bid had adopted a “one city, one stadium” approach.
He said: ‘In all major bid processes, you start with a short list of stadia, and this is whittled down to a final agreed list in order to give the bid the best chance of success and reflects the streamlined nature of the tournament.
‘This bid started with 14 stadia, and we now have our agreed final 10 which have been submitted "The bid, with the exemption of London, is based on a ‘one city, one stadia’ principle, and together we believe the list offers an array of superb stadia from across the UK and Ireland.
Beds is it ?
You don't see that unionism up there dug in like their forefathers at the Somme not to play in Casement & managed to punt it into the long grass other side of the tournament, yet you think they'll roll up happily at HQ in Dublin instead ?
Picture a hurling final ending up at Windsor. Picture your county in it. It'd suck balls wouldn't it.
Casement will cost €400m (funding coming from UK gov + GAA + Irish gov). I can see why as a Unionist, I wouldn’t want my tax being spent on a GAA stadium. (We’ll skip past the complexities of Windsor and Ravenhill getting refurbished and redeveloped about a decade ago for far less money in a time when it was cheaper to build stadia).
That desire makes sense to me - but if I have the choice to drive 90 mins to see my team play vs paying probably £300, taking a flight to Birmingham etc etc - I’m driving every time.
If I had the choice of Ireland playing Windsor or Villa Stadium, I’m picking Windsor.
And as for Dublin, playing a hurling final in Windsor - I honestly wouldn’t care.
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