Friendlies 2022

**2 Year Contract** · 29/01/2022, 5:11 PM

Originally Posted by Nesta99

Pats fans would know for sure!

Defo yeah. Pats win percentage in pre-season friendlies over the last 10 years is probably around 90-95%. During that time they’ve won everything there is to win but also had many years of being mediocre or very bad. The pre-seasons results have no correlation to those seasons

**sbgawa** · 29/01/2022, 5:48 PM

Rovers beat wexford and Treaty 3 nil each today.
Good to see Aydemo and Conan Nugent both on the scoresheet again this weekend.
I think we will see a lot more of them this season.

**oriel** · 29/01/2022, 9:31 PM

Originally Posted by sbgawa

Rovers beat wexford and Treaty 3 nil each today.
Good to see Aydemo and Conan Nugent both on the scoresheet again this weekend.
I think we will see a lot more of them this season.

Ah sbgawa, reminds me one my fav print football stories, 'In sports, USA beat Trinidad & Tobago 1-0 today' (in early 80's)

A NY paper reported 'strange they had two games in the same day'

**2 Year Contract** · 29/01/2022, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by sbgawa

Good to see Aydemo and Conan Nugent both on the scoresheet again this weekend.
I think we will see a lot more of them this season.

Sorry to disappoint but I don’t think you will seen as neither of those players exist

**Charlie Darwin** · 29/01/2022, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by Candystripe

Estimated 1,300 at the Brandywell last night. It was Institutes home game and they don't normally open the Southend stand but before ko the Mark Farren stand was full so they hastily had to open the Southend stand. Probably the biggest attendance at this annual fixture in my memory.

How does that work, do you alternate it each year?

**sbgawa** · 30/01/2022, 5:58 AM

Originally Posted by 2 Year Contract

Sorry to disappoint but I don’t think you will seen as neither of those players exist

Lol mea culpa. Aidomo and Conan Noonan. We should see a lot of from these guys next season

**refjohn** · 30/01/2022, 9:07 AM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

How does that work, do you alternate it each year?

Essentially yes albeit a mute point whilst institute search for new home venue. Gate to charity I believe as well,

**Nesta99** · 30/01/2022, 1:18 PM

Originally Posted by refjohn

Essentially yes albeit a mute point whilst institute search for new home venue. Gate to charity I believe as well,

Its a bit silly not to be happy sharing and newly renovated municipal ground in a fairly small city. Is their reasoning old differences and if so they should wise up, flegs, or do they think they can do a better job than the Brandywell, its is a bit too big for Institute's needs.

**refjohn** · 30/01/2022, 4:05 PM

Originally Posted by Nesta99

Its a bit silly not to be happy sharing and newly renovated municipal ground in a fairly small city. Is their reasoning old differences and if so they should wise up, flegs, or do they think they can do a better job than the Brandywell, its is a bit too big for Institute's needs.

Way too big - even in Irish Premiership they only opened the older stand for 3 or 4 teams and even then rarely more than a block of it. They have the cash to build a ground (insurance payout) - and have eyes on a site - but sure all these things take time. Their old ground was perfect size and could generate decent atmosphere.

**Charlie Darwin** · 30/01/2022, 5:20 PM

Originally Posted by refjohn

Way too big - even in Irish Premiership they only opened the older stand for 3 or 4 teams and even then rarely more than a block of it. They have the cash to build a ground (insurance payout) - and have eyes on a site - but sure all these things take time. Their old ground was perfect size and could generate decent atmosphere.

Surely the obvious thing to do would be to stay at the Brandy and invest the money in a training facility?

**Nesta99** · 30/01/2022, 6:04 PM

And look to grow the fanbase.

**sbgawa** · 30/01/2022, 6:12 PM

Maybe Derry don't fancy sharing the bed

**D24Saint** · 30/01/2022, 6:19 PM

It must be unique in world football. That two teams share a ground and play in different league systems . I’d be surprised if it happens elsewhere.

**nigel-harps1954** · 30/01/2022, 6:45 PM

To be fair to them, Institute aren't from Derry City. They're from Drumahoe, effectively a little village outside the city. The brandywell is out the opposite side of the city, about 5 miles away.

All their support comes from that end of the city, and they're not going to build a support base in the Brandywell.

They had a brilliant little stadium in the Riverside, and if they can salvage any of it towards a new ground they'll be fine. The stadium they had would have been better than several LOI grounds as they currently sit.

**D24Saint** · 30/01/2022, 6:51 PM

Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

To be fair to them, Institute aren't from Derry City. They're from Drumahoe, effectively a little village outside the city. The brandywell is out the opposite side of the city, about 5 miles away.

All their support comes from that end of the city, and they're not going to build a support base in the Brandywell.

They had a brilliant little stadium in the Riverside, and if they can salvage any of it towards a new ground they'll be fine. The stadium they had would have been better than several LOI grounds as they currently sit.

It’s always best to stay close to your support base rather than travel for better facilities. I always found the Longford situation a strange one for example . It’s a fine ground but it’s in the middle of nowhere. The location I’d say has an affect on causal fans , the have a few pints and go to a match on a Friday night types.

**EatYerGreens** · 30/01/2022, 8:02 PM

Originally Posted by Nesta99

Its a bit silly not to be happy sharing and newly renovated municipal ground in a fairly small city. Is their reasoning old differences and if so they should wise up, flegs, or do they think they can do a better job than the Brandywell, its is a bit too big for Institute's needs.

Institute are basically Derry's protestant team. They're not going to build a fanbase or grow community roots at Brandywell. It's a catholic area, and Derry City will always have more appeal there. Plus they can't make any money at the Brandywell apart from ticket sales, which by all accounts are very small. So Instituet want their own ground in a protestant part of the city where they can grow a fanbase and have facilities that they can use to generate income from. Which strikes me as a very sensible approach from a small club that will never progress or possibly even survive if its only income is ticket receipts in the Irish League's second tier..

**EatYerGreens** · 30/01/2022, 8:05 PM

Originally Posted by sbgawa

Maybe Derry don't fancy sharing the bed

I doubt Derry care to be honest. Institute pose them no threat, and the ground is already used for all sorts of things as it's council-owned.

If anything having Stute at Brandywell probably helps Derry City as they want government funding for the stadium to be finished. Much more likely to get that with 2 senior teams using it than just one (especially if that one plays outside NI and the DUP have any say in the matter)

**A N Mouse** · 30/01/2022, 8:05 PM

Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

To be fair to them, Institute aren't from Derry City. They're from Drumahoe, effectively a little village outside the city. The brandywell is out the opposite side of the city, about 5 miles away.

All their support comes from that end of the city, and they're not going to build a support base in the Brandywell.

They had a brilliant little stadium in the Riverside, and if they can salvage any of it towards a new ground they'll be fine. The stadium they had would have been better than several LOI grounds as they currently sit.

Stute are from the city, they chose to site their ground there for 'reasons' when seeking to progress from the intermediate league.

With the advent of the NIFL things may have changed, but it wasn't that long ago Oxford United Stars were refused entry to inagural Championship because they nominated the Brandy as their home ground. They did not own or have a long term lease on the venue. Now the apocryphal tale when I was growing was that this rule came about after Derry resigned from the league so that the IL clubs could have something to point to each year when Derry came back looking to reapply.

Now Stute 'own their own ground', or had some kind of long term arrangement. They were warned at the time about the potential risk but pressed ahead. There were better options, but like the Brandy most of the public/recreational space in the city comes with covenants on use or ownership. So they gave it a wide berth.

So whether the rules have changed, or something else has Stute are now eyeing up something closer to where they should have been these past twenty odd years. What comes it of remains to be seen, use and ownership would continue to be issues, but access will likely be a bigger issue than it would have all those years ago. And if that rule, or a variant of it, remains in place then the clock is ticking for them to find their own ground. Because a long term lease on the Brandy is not possible.

With the good talk, before the announcement about POD's business sale, about legacy and infrastructure then the sensible thing for both clubs would be some kind of joint football campus out of town, with a stadium. But thats another can of worms,if as seems likely was on donegal side of border

**EatYerGreens** · 30/01/2022, 8:11 PM

Originally Posted by A N Mouse

Stute are from the city, they chose to site their ground there for 'reasons' when seeking to progress from the intermediate league.

With the advent of the NIFL things may have changed, but it wasn't that long ago Oxford United Stars were refused entry to inagural Championship because they nominated the Brandy as their home ground. They did not own or have a long term lease on the venue. Now the apocryphal tale when I was growing was that this rule came about after Derry resigned from the league so that the IL clubs could have something to point to each year when Derry came back looking to reapply.

Now Stute 'own their own ground', or had some kind of long term arrangement. They were warned at the time about the potential risk but pressed ahead. There were better options, but like the Brandy most of the public/recreational space in the city comes with covenants on use or ownership. So they gave it a wide berth.

So whether the rules have changed, or something else has Stute are now eyeing up something closer to where they should have been these past twenty odd years. What comes it of remains to be seen, use and ownership would continue to be issues, but access will likely be a bigger issue than it would have all those years ago. And if that rule, or a variant of it, remains in place then the clock is ticking for them to find their own ground. Because a long term lease on the Brandy is not possible.

With the good talk, before the announcement about POD's business sale, about legacy and infrastructure then the sensible thing for both clubs would be some kind of joint football campus out of town, with a stadium. But thats another can of worms,if as seems likely was on donegal side of border

Derry City fans don't want a stadium on one side of the river and Institute don't want a stadium on the other side. So the two clubs can't and won't have a shared future.

Agree that with a rich Chairman Derry would be sensible to look at getting a stadium somewhere other than Brandywell. It's a very crammed in site, and they can't make any money from it or use it to build community links outside of matchdays as they don't control access.

**D24Saint** · 30/01/2022, 8:26 PM

Originally Posted by EatYerGreens

Derry City fans don't want a stadium on one side of the river and Institute don't want a stadium on the other side. So the two clubs can't and won't have a shared future.

Agree that with a rich Chairman Derry would be sensible to look at getting a stadium somewhere other than Brandywell. It's a very crammed in site, and they can't make any money from it or use it to build community links outside of matchdays as they don't control access.

The Brandywell is an iconic ground be surprised if Derry ever leave it.