Lets all try move forward, not back

**joeSoap** · 14/07/2005, 3:25 PM

Originally Posted by jebus

way to tip toe around the questions being asked of the club again Joe, you certainly earn your money

That damn �100,000 a year again.....

**jebus** · 14/07/2005, 3:37 PM

Could we have a proper explaination on why Ahearne, Carthy and Rossi have been allowed leave in the last few days without you resorting to the 'its none of your business! we encourage fans to have their say. GET OFF THE INTERNET!' argument please? Also whats the latest on Robbie leaving the club? Is Noel on a five year deal? Do you agree that Danny's behaviour is increasingly similiar to Stalin in his twilight years? And before you say Limerick fans are moaners, think that if this was Man Utd (who I assume you support) and there were rumours of Rooney having a bust up with Ferguson and possibly wanting out of the club, or if Has Been Alex was offered an all together too long deal, or if Glazer had a heart attack everytime the club was talked about in a negative way, than you'd be asking these same questions to.

I suppose I could have condensed that into, if you weren't so far up Danny's ass that you're tasting his breakfast you'd be asking these questions to, but I'm sure a 100 grand buys a lot of breath mints

**joeSoap** · 14/07/2005, 3:55 PM

Originally Posted by jebus

I suppose I could have condensed that into, if you weren't so far up Danny's ass that you're tasting his breakfast you'd be asking these questions to, but I'm sure a 100 grand buys a lot of breath mints

Nice one...

**sadloserkid** · 14/07/2005, 5:43 PM

Originally Posted by joeSoap

Nice one...

Jebus, play nice!

And JoeSoap I appreciate the position that you're in and I can understand you wanting this all to blow over but I don't think it'll be that simple.

I think it's perfectly reasonable for fans to want to know why four players have left the club in the space of a few days with only one coming in.

Regardless of where all these stories of unrest and discontent are coming from they're of great concern to genuine fans. And regardless of what anybody here or elsewhere may think I am a genuine fan who just wants the club to be successful.

I just don't see how the sale and release of our assets (and CP

) will help us to be successful.

**LFC in Exile** · 15/07/2005, 9:51 AM

Originally Posted by jebus

Could we have a proper explaination on why Ahearne, Carthy and Rossi have been allowed leave in the last few days Also whats the latest on Robbie leaving the club? Is Noel on a five year deal? Do you agree that Danny's behaviour is increasingly similiar to Stalin in his twilight years?

think that if this was Man Utd (who I assume you support) and there were rumours of Rooney having a bust up with Ferguson and possibly wanting out of the club, or if Has Been Alex was offered an all together too long deal, or if Glazer had a heart attack everytime the club was talked about in a negative way, than you'd be asking these same questions to.

If these things were happening at United would Peter Gill sit down with fans and explain them? I don't think so. When Alex fell out with Beckham and offloaded him he didn't have to spell out to fans why he did it. When it comes down to it we can discuss football/Limerick FC matters here but we cannot demand and be expected to get explanations for team selection or transfers. Were Liverpool fans kept up to date on the Gerrard saga - no, it was all rumour and spin in the media and web.

We don't like certain decisions but as long as I am supporting Limerick I cannot remember a day that I didn't agree with team selection, transfers, adminsitration etc.

I am still very surprised that club administrators actually post on here - if I was them I would stop. No other club has officials "communicating" (I use the word loosely because at times it has not involved actual communication) with fans on these forums.

**LFCSixty/Eighty** · 15/07/2005, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by LFC in Exile

Were Liverpool fans kept up to date on the Gerrard saga - no, it was all rumour and spin in the media and web.

What are you talking about man. That whole saga was played out in the media by the club and the player. Steven Gerrard, his agent, Rick Parry & Liverpool Football Club all made statements to the press for the whole week that it was going on. Gerrard saying that the club didn't want him and he was being pushed out (ring any bells) The club saying that they had made an offer and he had refused.

The night before he chanded his mind Parry on Sky Sports News saying there was nothing more they could do that he had made up his mind and he was leaving, then the following morning saying he was staying.

So trying to say that it was all 'rumour' and 'spin' by the media and web is a load of rubbish.

Bloddy hell you couldn't have picked a worse case to try and highlight your point. Sorry mate.

**Roadend** · 15/07/2005, 11:19 AM

Were Liverpool fans kept up to date on the Gerrard saga - no, it was all rumour and spin in the media and web.

Ha ha ha, you are joking. Not only this year but last as well, many people had inside info on Gerrard from either him or his family. You just need to know where to look to find such info.

**LFC in Exile** · 15/07/2005, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by LFCSixty/Eighty

So trying to say that it was all 'rumour' and 'spin' by the media and web is a load of rubbish.

Bloddy hell you couldn't have picked a worse case to try and highlight your point. Sorry mate.

Do you know what spin is? Liverpool were spinning one story (Gerrard wanted to leave) and Gerrard was spinning another one (Liverpool want me out). This was all played out in the media. Not unlike this story - except I am not sure Sky News will be camped out at Hogan Park for a statement on Carthy's departure.

Also, I have heard all of the 'inside info' on Gerrard from 'him or his family'. Hardly an absence of spin as well.

In this case there are reports from players (I am not doubting they are accurate) but they are spin. The club has an alternative view. I am not close enough to any players or the club to know what disrepectful treatment (as alluded to in other posts) happened. But, whether examples are apposite or not, the point remains that the club does not have to justify decisions to fans. That said, of course it may often be in their interest to keep fans informed and keep good relations. In the current context I can understand why they are defensive and if I was one of them I would just provide no comment. I would just let the fans register their complaints and get on with the job.

**jebus** · 15/07/2005, 1:29 PM

[QUOTE=LFC in Exile] the point remains that the club does not have to justify decisions to fans[QUOTE]

Thats where we differ, I agree that the club should never be dictated to by the fans, but we should be given a reasonable explaination as to why our top scorer has been shown the door over an alleged personal issue. It is the fans who keep the club running, not Noel or Danny, and if we were to say start boycotting certain games I'm sure that message would become all to apparant to Noel and Danny aswell, not saying we should, just saying we could.

Also it is not unusual for a club to give a explaination through spin (if you read between the lines you get the real story sometimes) or through a statement, examples are the Gerrard saga you mentioned in regards to spin, or Kevin Keegan publically answering the fans questions over Andy Cole's transfer from Newcastle to Man Utd. But regardless, at a club's AGM there are often a number of questions put to the board in regards to transfer policy from the club's supporters, and in the case of the Liverpools and Sheffield Wednesdays (sorry had to include them!) of this world their selection policy always comes under scrutiny in post and pre match interviews, so I don't know how you come to the conclusion that no other club apart from Limerick are asked to explain these things.

**LFC in Exile** · 15/07/2005, 1:47 PM

Originally Posted by jebus

I don't know how you come to the conclusion that no other club apart from Limerick are asked to explain these things.

That's not what I said. I didn't say they weren't asked. Every manager is asked all the time. What I said was that they do not have to answer. Even when they do most of them actually say nothing. Most clubs (and this club should too) have an interest in ensuring that their side of stories gets out there. But most clubs don't have to contend with such a close relationship between players and fans. How many Liverpool fans have a beer with Gerrard and then put what he says about what happened at training on the clubs only discussion forum?

As for the boycott, if things really were in a dire state I can see how this would bring change in a football club but it would be a last resort IMO and nowhere near warranted now. This goes for what I said before about the fans can only indirectly affect change in transfers/team selection. And that is as it should be.

I can tell you now what the manager's/chairman's explanation of Carthy's departure would be. We signed Sweeney, Keating is back. He is not first choice striker. It was a business decision. Recent slump in form? It happens - its too early to panic. Ahearne and Rossi - not first choice players and we have better players in their positions. I don't agree with these but that's my problem. If we continue to slide and finish near bottom I would join others looking for NOC's removal but until then I think we are over-reacting. This is making the administration defensive and nobody wins.

**Roadend** · 15/07/2005, 2:28 PM

How many Liverpool fans have a beer with Gerrard and then put what he says about what happened at training on the clubs only discussion forum?

You'd be surprised.

**LFC in Exile** · 15/07/2005, 3:41 PM

Originally Posted by Roadend

You'd be surprised.

Looking at the head on him I probably wouldn't.

On a related point I just have the greatest respect for gerrard. To get as far as he ahs in the game without a forehead is a great achievement.

**sadloserkid** · 15/07/2005, 9:30 PM

Still in agreement with you LFC In Exile but I think that the club has to be expecting to take a lot of flak for letting two recognised strikers out the door in the one week. It's a very, very peculiar decision and one that I think everybody would love to see answered.

**jebus** · 16/07/2005, 1:02 PM

Can myself, Nempton, SLK and the rest of us who told you we should have retained Mike Kerley's services before the season started say we told you so yet?

**Nempton** · 16/07/2005, 1:35 PM

TOLD YOU SO

If these things were happening at United would Peter Gill sit down with fans and explain them? I don't think so

Of course he wouldn't, the poor guy wouldn't have a clue whats going on. He'd probably tell you to go speak to his brother David who's on the Utd board I suppose a bit like Danny Drew telling you to go talk to his wife who's the real boss of Limerick

**4tothefloor** · 16/07/2005, 1:45 PM

JoeSoap is talking s**t and has been for a while now. No matter how much you spin joe, you can't paper over the facts. Whats going on is ridiculous, and is exactly why almost everyone on here wasn't happy about the butchers return. NOC hasn't a clue, his team can't even pass the fcuking ball, yet here he is letting one of his best players and grafters go. Might I add that McCarthy was being played out of position all along as well

Professional? Professional my balls, and to compound things we are playing the worst brand of football I have ever seen from a Limerick team. The football is putrid, complete utter s**t. The proof was there last night, the fans are staying away. I think we should boycott a few games because as far as I can see the only thing that Drew understands is money. Whats the point supporting a team, and shelling out good money to see them when this is how they treat the players? Whats the point if we are not interested in getting promoted? It's a load of b*****ks joe, and you know it.

**lim abroad** · 16/07/2005, 8:42 PM

maybe noc has a bout of mad cow disease?? might explain his recent managerial decisions!!!

**LFC in Exile** · 18/07/2005, 8:24 AM

Originally Posted by Nempton

TOLD YOU SO

Of course he wouldn't, the poor guy wouldn't have a clue whats going on. He'd probably tell you to go speak to his brother David who's on the Utd board

Sorry, Nempton. But I am obviously not as au fait with the personalities of that foreign league as you are. Too interested in my own country's football probably.

**LFC in Exile** · 18/07/2005, 8:27 AM

Originally Posted by sadloserkid

Still in agreement with you LFC In Exile but I think that the club has to be expecting to take a lot of flak for letting two recognised strikers out the door in the one week. It's a very, very peculiar decision and one that I think everybody would love to see answered.

You are spot on. All of the criticism over the sale of Carthy and loss of CP is deserved.

It is a bit ironic though if they criticised for losing CP. I feel only I can criticise that one.