QuoteDouble points now in the main draw.Originally Posted by gspain
I believe we are some way from skipping the 1st qualifying rounds. 1 Step at a time.
Double points now in the main draw.
Still quite a way off a bye to the second round, I think it's only the top 24 or 25 countries. How does the club coefficient thing work? Is it added to the country coefficient?
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I think it's one-third of your country's coefficient plus whatever you earn yourself in non-qualifying rounds.
You're right there Ted!
If Eircom league clubs continue to get 1.666 co-efficent points each year then we will be 30th by 2008/2009.
(Ive posted this before but I dont think people read the thread before they post.)
Going from 30th to 25th is a big jump. Basically we will need a club in the group stages of either the Champions League or UEFA Cup getting a few wins or draws EACH season. I think we can get the 1.666 each season but taking it to the next level will need some effort.
Someone pointed out that once we go above 30th to 25th spot there is going to be seasons where we have an extra european spot and seasons that we dont. A bit of a yo yo effect.
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Coincidence you saying that - I actually work for Fr Dougal's brother...
Don't foget that if each of the three teams wins both legs of their first-round tie and loses both legs of their second tie, that's 2.000 straight off. The scores do stretch alright, but that's due to teams getting double points outside qualifying rounds. As we get better, we'll get there more often - as we're seeing already.
Next three years will be very interesting though.
Very few teams win both of their legs in the first round AFAIK. Its hard IMO. I cant see it happening. You can get a tricky draw as well in the second round so 1.666 is a reasonable target.
However we should expect at least 2 teams to progress to the second round and one team to the 3rd round for the next season or two in either the CL or UC.
It is your country's position that determines the seedings in the absenc eof the club coefficient. We are one place off a seeding for the champions league so if Cork get a draw we jump Belarus into the last seeded place for the 1st round.
How do you work that out on the UEFA Cup? Assuming they use the same regional groupings we have not moved ahead of any of the seeded teams in this year's draw (note the countries). We are still behind Iceland, Lithuania etc so will be touch and go for seeding in the UEFA Cup depending on the Fair play entrants and club coefficients. If Shels were to take the UEFA spot they would definitely be seeded.
Note we are also fortunate to have a seeding here as Macedonia has a higher coefficient and lose out on regional grounds.
Viking Stavanger Nor 12.665
Esbjerg fB Den 6.676
FK Ventspils Lat 3.199
Metalurgs Liepaja Lat 2.199
MyPa-47 Fin 2.158
Allianssi Vantaa Fin 2.158
Ekranas Panevezys Lit 1.760
Atlantas Klaipeda Lit 1.760
IBK Keflavik Isl 1.594
IBV Vestmannaeyjar Isl 1.594
Its tough but when you are a seed there is no reason why not..
When we had 3 wins in the first leg it was looking like 2points and all 3 teams in the 2nd roundNot going to happen every season but instead here we are with only Cork left and at 1.833 or whatever it is.
shels got two win 0.666
Cork only had one and there recent two draws (fantastic result may I add) has really only got back the points they should have bagged in the 1st leg
Longford only got 1 win and even using the shels steaua draw we are still not at 2 when really we should be.
Decent 1st Round draws like the ones we had this season do not come around often.
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True, though that's why I compensated by saying each team loses both their seconr round games.
On the contrary, Cork weren't seeded this year. If both Irish teams are seeded next year, we'll get an easier draw (in theory) than Ekranes. Both the seeded teams drew middle-ranking unseeded teams, so that's the average quality we can expect to draw when seeded.
Yeah I know Cork were not seeded and said at the time they had the toughest game of all 3 but having won the first leg I was expecting another 0.333Probably not fair to put cork into this as the result away was as unexpected as the one at home.
1.666 after QR1 would have been a more relistic target before we kicked a ball.
Yes but to think you might be playing unseeded Cakemakers Utd or Ekranes in the QR2 is fantastic
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Uefa ranking in this seasons draw
If you look here can see than Longford got seeded on 1.375 but we now have 1.430 country points for next season. I'm obviously basing this on same regional draw next year.
some people were making wild predictions for our co-efficent next season but football is a funny old game as they say. Shelbourne strengthed their squad but couldnt match the result like last year and were not going to be in Europe at this rate.
Longford town type teams dont cut it in European games and I wouldnt want to rely on them for co-efficent points. Sorry to say it longford but the cup is the only thing your good at.
Im not sure what Derry are like in European games, some clubs are really up for it like CCFC and Shels but other are questionable.
Just because you are seeded, it doesnt mean that you will win all your games.
I would take 1.666 for next season now.
Jumping longford would only push longford back downIf you look here can see than Longford got seeded on 1.375 but we now have 1.430 country points for next season. I'm obviously basing this on same regional draw next year.
its the 1.5xx you should be looking at
anyway as most teams in the first round would not have a team coefficient your best way of looking at it is the country ranking tables and seeing if we have passed any of the seeded countries from last season. We have not passed any out sadly and would be unseeded again unless Cork get some more points.
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Have you even seen the league table lately?
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I'm optimistic that Derry can get past a 1st qualifying round as Kenny has european experience & they know how to pass the ball.
Hoofball does not cut it in Europe.
I still don't see the improvement.
We had 1 team seeded and 1 unseeded this season. We have not passed the Icelandic coefficient so how do you make out we'll have both teams seeded next season?
Assuming the regions are the same as this year, I make it that Cork need a win or two draws in the next round to get both teams seeded next year (or a draw if they and Shels end up in the UEFA somehow). Otherwise we'll have one seeded and one not.
How do they decide who is seeded when the two teams have the same co-efficient BTW?
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