UEFSA Coefficients Thread

[bigmac]

We got one off Lille

Keep in mind worst comes to worst and say they get hammered in the first leg the others could put out a reserve team in the second so they will get the co-efficent. I'd back them to get a result, not progress, but get a result.

Good point alright. Would be some laugh if they drew Steaua!

[thejollyrodger]

well the bigger clubs are defintely in the champions league so it may be easier to get into the UEFA Cup in theory.

But at the end of the day, teams like Rosenborg get into the CL and there is an awful lot of money to be made, plus the irish public only really watch the CL so its the place to push for which ever club wins the league. Not going for the CL and concentrating on UEFA Cup would be criminal IMO.

Getting into the UEFA Cup would be good for the league as well of course.

I reckon CCFC can get the co-efficients needed if they can make it to the next round.

[pete]

Highest Unseeded Team in CL 2005 - Rabotnicki Skopje Mac 1.484
Highest Unseeded Team in Uefa 2005 - Cork City Irl 1.375

Current eL team ranking for 2006 Ireland 1.320 + 0.055 from yesterday (1/3 of league points) = 1.375

Unlikely to give Derry ot Cork City seedingnext season but very hard to calculate as depends on teams who qualify from each country.

Only Shels will have any indiuvidual points for next season. Bohs losing theirs.

Even a draw in 1st round proper gets that individual team 1 full point which is why it guarantees seeding. I think this is why countries with same teams qualifying every season do better as have individual ranking points - Everton got hard draw this year as no ranking points of their own.

[CuanaD]

Good point alright. Would be some laugh if they drew Steaua!

would be a better laugh if they could then BEAT Steaua

thats what you would call having the last laugh

[swinfordfc]

Isn't ireland coeff for this year now at 1.66667 ? at the moment?

[Slash/ED]

Isn't ireland coeff for this year now at 1.66667 ? at the moment?

It is, yeah.

[swinfordfc]

So lets hope for a Cork win in two weeks time and we have a coeff of 2 our best ever

[thejollyrodger]

would be a better laugh if they could then BEAT Steaua

thats what you would call having the last laugh

That would be fantastic IMO. I hope Shels supporters would attend and make a demostration against a facist club.


1.66667 + 0.33333333333333333333333333333333 =2.0000033333333333333333333333333

wow, a co-efficent of TWO !! I havent seen that EVER

[OneRedArmy]

I hope Shels supporters would attend and make a demostration against a facist club.

On the basis that it takes one to know one?

I'd have thought you'd be showing solidarity.....

[thejollyrodger]

Im on about Steaua, maybe you didnt watch the Shels Steaua game but the amount of monkey chants heard was riduclous. Plus the facist poster seen in other games was another disgrace. I would love to see CCFC put them out of the UEFA Cup.

[CuanaD]

Has anyone got the latest rankings? Berts site doesn't seem to be updated since the 6th?

This site was updated today:
http://sathanasias.bravepages.com/f-res/football.html

[thejollyrodger]

Looking at UEFA website there... should we continue to equal this years run of 1.666 we will get to 30th position in 3 years time as already posted on this thread.

 
2004-2005   2005-2006	2006-2007    2007-2008	2008-2009 Co-efficient

1.333 	          2.000*	1.666 	    1.666 	 1.666 		 8.331 
								  **7.99	

* 2.000 If cork beat Djurgardens.
** 7.99 if Cork fail to beat Djurgardens (1.666 co efficient for 2005/2006)

30th position was held by Bosnia last season.. Their co-efficient was 7.165

30 Bosnia-Herzegovina 0.500 0.333 3.000 1.666 1.666 7.165




**The following is all hypothetical - too much time on a Saturday :P **


Should any club manage to get to the group stages next season and each season from 2006/2007 until 2008/2009 then we would jump up to 26th/27th position by 2008/2009. That’s if the other 2 Eircom League clubs continued to make up the 1.666 or 2.000 co efficient.

The following (2006/2007) is based on this year run with one club going all the way to the group stages of UEFA Cup (Using Cork as an example ) and coming out with 4 draws in the group stages.


If Cork beat Djurgardens in two weeks time then we will have a co-efficient of 2.


They then face a difficult opponent in the first round proper. The co efficient points are double. 1 for a draw, 2 for a win.

Say they went through on away goals. CCFC picked up another 2 co-efficient points over the two matches by drawing 0-0 at home and 1-1 away.


If the club managed to draw all 4 games in the group stages it would pick up 4 co -efficient points.


That’s a total of 5 coefficient points for Corks run (1 for the 1st round proper and 4 for the group stages UEFA Cup). 5 divided by 3 (to give the national co-efficient points) equals 1.666.

2 (what the league got so far on 2006/2007) + 1.666 ( CCFC's run from 1st round and group stages) = 3.666


So at the end of a year like this the country would have 3.666 co-efficient.

 

2004-2005     2005-2006	2006-2007    2007-2008	2008-2009   Co-efficient

					
1.333 	 2.000 	 3.666 	 	3.666 	 	3.666 	 	14.331 



25 	Romania 	 0.833 	 2.625 	 2.166 	 4.333 	 5.500 	 15.457
26 	Sweden 	        4.800 	 3.833 	 2.250 	 1.500 	 3.000 	 15.383 	 
27 	Slovakia 	3.666 	3.500 	0.666 	2.500 	1.333 	11.665

In short there is a big jump from going from 30th to getting seeded for the 2nd round.

It’s unlikely that CCFC will get past the first round of the UEFA Cup and make it into the group stages. Even if they did, it’s unlikely that they would draw all 4 matches. So it’s going to be tricky going from 30th to 25th. Plus teams could face very difficult opposition in the 2nd round and 3rd round each year.

The other side of it is not factoring in how well the other 2 clubs do. One club could reach the 3rd round of the Champions league regularly and obtain draws and likewise the other UEFA Cup team could reach the 2nd round qualifiers and obtain draws there.

[Slash/ED]

Good work, I think at the moment I would be very happy to maintain a 1.66667 average over the next few years. If we can do that, we're doing very well, get rid of the years where we earned very little. Anything beyond that is a bonus.

[pineapple stu]

If we can do that, we're doing very well, get rid of the years where we earned very little.

I think more importantly, if we get even 1.000 next season, Irish teams should be guaranteed seeded in both competitions for the next five years, which gives us a great foothold to build on.

[thejollyrodger]

the co-efficents have all been updated.. were still at 40th and I dont think we will move up or down this season

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/index.html

[Slash/ED]

Add another draw to that, and we have a record high co-efficent

With a bit of luck, City will draw Steua

[eirebhoy]

If Cork can get just a draw either leg we'll be guaranteed to move ahead of Belarus and Liechtenstein into 38th. One win (or 2 draws) over the 2 legs and we'll move ahead of Iceland too.

[thejollyrodger]

here is the latest update to the co-efficents. were at 1.833 now for this year. The highest in a very long time. If cork can get a draw from one of the next games it would be a major boost. Who knows though, they could get a favourable draw

[Slash/ED]

The highest in a very long time.

Ever, I think

[gspain]

Fantastic performance last night and well deserved victor yover the 2 legs.

A draw in one game in the next round would be huge. While it would be nice to catch Liechtenstein and Iceland it is imperative we catch Belarus. If Cork get a draw then we move ahead of Belarus and into the last of the seeded places for the champions league 1st round draw. Furthermore Cork would obtain a club coefficient with a draw or win and thus be effectively seeded for 5 years in Europe.