QuoteThree games, three wins, 6 goals (only 1 against) and a FULL uefa ranking point alreadySo this is what it feels like to be sucessful
If the 3 Irish clubs keep it up we could be top of this list of 52 countries by next week:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/...ccoef2006.html
Three games, three wins, 6 goals (only 1 against) and a FULL uefa ranking point already
Am I right in thinking we got 1.0 coefficiency point already?
Do countries get more for away wins?
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Well done to all three sides
no ye no extra points for away win.....
now if shelbourne could win next wednesday, we get another 0.33333 point and were flying
If we can start doing this regularly we'll quickly climb up. Especially seeing as 02/03 and 03/04 are only 0.166 and 0.333 respectively, we don't lose much there!! So anything during those years is just an added bonus!
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1 more win and we'll match last year. 2 more wins and we'll match our best ever year since the coeffients came in.
Obviously fantastic results across the board however we still need to catch 1 more country to ensure a seeded place in next season's champions league. Even despite all these results we are unlikely to progress to having 2 seeded teams in the UEFA cup.
Ye are getting ahead of yourselfs thinking about byes to round 2 of CL.
Requirement should be to:
1. Get all 3 teams into 2nd qualifying rounds consistently every year.
2. Get all 3 team seeded in 1st qualifying round,
3. In 3 years be in top 30 countries as opposed to top 40.
The expectation now is that all 3 teams should progress to qualifying round 2. The eL/FAI should be ready to create some media buzz with well planned PR campaign.
Slowly but surely.
Althought obviously teams have to take thier chance when they come. A win instead of settling for a draw could mean seeding difference later...Originally Posted by jorge
Not much of a target - we finished last year in 38th.
You dont get seeded in the Champions League by being ranked say 27th to 38th and unseeded 39th to 50th
What happens is that all 24 teams or however many there are start in that round but then the team coefficient counts as to who are seeded. If shels win the League they have an extra 1 point of their own and will, 99% anyway, be seeded.
If we pick up over 2pts this season then its highly likely too that all three teams will be seeds regardless of their team coefficient.
A bye into round 2 is not as impossible as it sounds. Once you turn the corner of not being the unseeded team you have every chance of picking up 2pts or even more and as has been pointed out, if you get 2.5pts per season for 5 years you arethen into the 20's and will receive a bye. Thats all easier said then done but not impossible.
If we take the last two years as our base we have 2.333 so far with 3 season left to get to about 13pts.
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It's a snowball effect too. The better we do the better our seeding is so the easier it is to win and improve our seeding more, also the easier it is to attract players to come to the league, so it's not unrealistic at all to be looking at being in the second round in the not too distant future so long as we continue to go at the same rate as we are atm.
When teams are being ranked they are given country coefficient + team coefficient to get total.
Team coefficients only awarded for points gained past qualifying rounds. Even if never make it past qualifying rounds a higher country coefficient would get seeding e.g. Longford this season.
We've only probably averaged 40th in europe in last 5 years so i think moving past 30th in 3 years would be massive improvement.
I understand all that Pete..
But you have to see that now we will be seeds for the next few years, unless we all lose in the 2nd legs next week.!!!
At the end of last season we were 38th and Bosnia were 30th with a coefficient of 7.165.
Lets strike off 2001 to 2003 and start with last years 1.333
2004 1.333
2005 1.000 ?
2006 ?????
2007 ?????
2008 ?????
Total 2.333
and that has this season and 3 more to go where we shoul be seeds.
I dont think its too hard to get up to 7.165. Its getting into the 26th or higher spot that the problem area is and its here that we need to aim for the bye into round 2.
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This season Longford need 1.375 to sneak into Eufa Cup seeding.
Currently we at 1.155 for next year & 3 more wins would be 1.488 so would seem looking at 2 seeded teams in Uefa Cup next year.
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In 2006 CL only Shel$ would be guaranteed seeding. Cork City have chance but i think we need to get to 1st round of Uefa Cup but even a draw would guarantee seeding.
Latvia (31st) got over 3 points last year from nowhere with some easy draws & good results. However Skonto Riga lost 6-0 in Macedonia CL game & Linfield also beat Uefa Cup team...
Last edited by pete; 16/07/2005 at 11:15 PM.
Going off the topic now but .... is there anywhere we can find out who (clubs/countries) are implementing the UEFA licening fully ?? are all clubs in the coefficient ranking all on the same parr as us ?? are they all up to scratch on the five sections of the UEFA licencing (i know its up to each league to interpret themselves etc.) ... just trying to correlate recent results to changes made in leagues, i dont think we cant attribute all this to just fitness is all.
The SFAI are the governing body for grassroots football in Ireland, not the FAI. Its success or the lack of is all down to them.
Its not just fitness ...
Its down to summer soccer and the fact most players in Europe over the past few seasons are now full time. Bringing a full time team of pros to the Champions League in the middle of their season has to make some positive change.
What I think it mainly comes down to is the SEEDS V UNSEEDS.
We have been unseeded for years and faced clubs who are better then us. Usually getting beaten by them. Over the last few seasons Bohs and shels have had some shock results and now we are nearly at a point of being seeds.
Except Cork who had a fantastic away result Shels and Longford are playing sides from weaker countries. A 6th place team in the Welsh league!! thats as good as a bye in to the next round. Also Glentoran are not going anywhere either. Easier draws will make us look better.
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Shels won and the team from Belarus lost so the gap is much smaller now (might aswell be equal).Code:36 Macedonia 4.664 37 Liechtens. 4.500 38 Iceland 4.499 39 Belarus 3.915 40 Ireland 3.498
The team from Iceland are currently drawing 1-1 at home after 65 minutes.
The team from Macedonia lost 1-0.
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