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    Quote Originally Posted by culloty82 View Post
    With the LoI now up to 36th in the co-efficient, where does it need to be to guarantee seedings in first-round draws - 32nd?
    Co-efficients are too technical for me, but I dont think a league/national ranking earns seeding, just additional European places, which comp non champions enter and where you enter the comp. Individual club coefficients determine whether seeded or not in each round (or take the seeding of beaten seeded side if unseeded?). If a club doesnt have a coefficient (or is less than the country coeff) the national coefficient is used(?). Either way it could be a while before a Kerry LoI side are seeded in Europe.


    Im kind of answering for clarificantion myself....
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    It varies by club because it's the club coefficient that matters - see here for the current list.

    It's based on the rounds a club got through (as opposed to the individual results they got) in the last five years in Europe, and it can't go lower than one-fifth of the national coefficient (if, for example, a club hasn't been in Europe in that time)

    So while Sligo and Pat's results may see them seeded next year, the problem is that at the moment they mayn't qualify. Derry, meanwhile, will have quite a low seeding because they've made a hames of Europe in the past five years (it's 8 years since they won a tie)

    Shamrock Rovers though will have a great seeding but won't skip a round any time soon as the round a club enters at is based on national coefficient, not club coefficient. Assuming they stay in the CL for the next few years, then we'd need to get up to 21st for them to get a bye in the CL (based on this year, which is a bit affected by Russian clubs being banned)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nesta99 View Post
    Co-efficients are too technical for me, but I dont think a league/national ranking earns seeding, just additional European places, which comp non champions enter and where you enter the comp. Individual club coefficients determine whether seeded or not in each round (or take the seeding of beaten seeded side if unseeded?). If a club doesnt have a coefficient (or is less than the country coeff) the national coefficient is used(?). Either way it could be a while before a Kerry LoI side are seeded in Europe.


    Im kind of answering for clarificantion myself....
    The default co-efficient for partipicants is the average of the national co-efficient. National co-efficient is based on performances over five years, so divide by 5.

    This is used if don't have club-coefficient, or have one less than this average.

    In order for this to lead to seeding in first round (depends on how many clubs start in first round) it would have to be in or around 3, so noational co-efficient of ~15.

    Would need to see how things shake out after 5 years of ECL, but atm 15 national co-efficient point would likely be enough for all clubs to start in ECL Q2, at which point 3pts is unlikely to be enough for seeding.

    So it's possible in the future to be seed based on national co-efficient, but not just yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    It varies by club because it's the club coefficient that matters - see here for the current list.

    It's based on the rounds a club got through (as opposed to the individual results they got) in the last five years in Europe, and it can't go lower than one-fifth of the national coefficient (if, for example, a club hasn't been in Europe in that time)

    So while Sligo and Pat's results may see them seeded next year, the problem is that at the moment they mayn't qualify. Derry, meanwhile, will have quite a low seeding because they've made a hames of Europe in the past five years (it's 8 years since they won a tie)


    Shamrock Rovers though will have a great seeding but won't skip a round any time soon as the round a club enters at is based on national coefficient, not club coefficient. Assuming they stay in the CL for the next few years, then we'd need to get up to 21st for them to get a bye in the CL (based on this year, which is a bit affected by Russian clubs being banned)
    As you rightly point out the club points in qualifers are based on round eliminated. So Derry, having gone out at the first round in three of the last five years, will have exactly the same club-co-efficient points as Sligo or Pats. Who have only competed twice, but got through a round or two this year.
    https://kassiesa.net/uefa/data/method5/trank2023.html

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    Oh that's weird; I hadn't spotted that

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    Shamrock Rovers UEFA Europa League Play-off games home and away against Ferencváros to be shown live on RTÉ2

    Having already secured a spot in the UEFA Europa Conference League group stage, Shamrock Rovers will face off against Hungarian champions Ferencváros in the UEFA Europa League play-off round with both games set to be shown live on RTÉ2 and RTÉ Player.


    Rovers travel to Budapest next week (Thursday 18 August) for the away leg with kick-off at 5.30pm Irish time. The home leg in Tallaght Stadium takes place on Thursday 25 August with an 8.00pm kick-off.

    Broadcast details to follow.
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    Can you be drawn again in the group stages with a team you faced in the qualifiers?

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    This guy has the predicted seeding based on ELO ranking simulations. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1083777926

    He has Rovers going into pot 3 in the ECL. Truth be told there is very little difference between pot 3 and 4. Some weak and some strong teams in both.

    A group with West Ham, Slovan and Riga would be such a class result. Would be class to have West Ham in the Aviva, given it's not one of the well supported Irish teams you'd have to hope it'd be majority Rovers fans in a packed stadium.

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    https://www.stpatsfc.com/news.php?id=9225

    2 Pats player suffered racial abuse last night.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by joey B View Post
    https://www.stpatsfc.com/news.php?id=9225

    2 Pats player suffered racial abuse last night.....
    Odd, given that CSKA had a few black players themselves. The guy who kicked off the trouble at the end (well, technically Jamie Lennon pushed him first, so could be said to have started it) was making gestures towards the Pats fans, one of which looked like a monkey gesture. We’re almost definitely going to get a fine for the brains dead idiots throwing stuff on the pitch, but hopefully they will get one as well if that stuff was going on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyD View Post
    Odd, given that CSKA had a few black players themselves. The guy who kicked off the trouble at the end (well, technically Jamie Lennon pushed him first, so could be said to have started it) was making gestures towards the Pats fans, one of which looked like a monkey gesture. We’re almost definitely going to get a fine for the brains dead idiots throwing stuff on the pitch, but hopefully they will get one as well if that stuff was going on.
    It was from the away end + online, no accusations against any of their players I don't think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ger121 View Post
    Can you be drawn again in the group stages with a team you faced in the qualifiers?
    Yep. Last season Slovan Bratislava beat Lincoln Red Imps 4-2 in the Europa League qualifiers, then went into tbe ECL group stages after losing to Olympiakos in the play-off.

    The Gibraltar team, after losing to Slovan, beat Riga in the ECL play-off to get to that group stage. Both Lincoln & Slovan met in the group with Slovan winning both matches. They finished bottom two of a group containing Copenhaguen and Bohemian's conquerors Paok.

    There's a slight chance Rovers might travel to NM again in the ECL group stages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyD View Post
    Odd, given that CSKA had a few black players themselves.
    Their fans are the absolute dregs of humanity. This article is from June just gone about Alan Pardew leaving the club after their fans threw bananas at some of their own players who were black. https://www.skysports.com/football/n...-black-players

    Not to mention the sightings of CSKA Sofia stickers around Tallaght and Dublin City that feature a swastika. Out and out scum they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2 Year Contract View Post
    Their fans are the absolute dregs of humanity. This article is from June just gone about Alan Pardew leaving the club after their fans threw bananas at some of their own players who were black. https://www.skysports.com/football/n...-black-players

    Not to mention the sightings of CSKA Sofia stickers around Tallaght and Dublin City that feature a swastika. Out and out scum they are.
    https://twitter.com/marxistsaint/sta...w8CbdDHcwpeW4w
    Ironic given that the Bulgarians are Slavs, and Hitler dispised Slavs and wanted to exterminate them all. But then, historical accuracy and critique has never been a strong point of knuckle draggers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EatYerGreens View Post
    Ironic given that the Bulgarians are Slavs, and Hitler dispised Slavs and wanted to exterminate them all. But then, historical accuracy and critique has never been a strong point of knuckle draggers.
    It's hard to get the head around scumbaggery that would do this in general, H-Block sticikers not miles off either!!!

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    H Block stickers
    I wonder was he wearing a retro football jersey as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    It varies by club because it's the club coefficient that matters - see here for the current list.

    It's based on the rounds a club got through (as opposed to the individual results they got) in the last five years in Europe, and it can't go lower than one-fifth of the national coefficient (if, for example, a club hasn't been in Europe in that time)

    So while Sligo and Pat's results may see them seeded next year, the problem is that at the moment they mayn't qualify. Derry, meanwhile, will have quite a low seeding because they've made a hames of Europe in the past five years (it's 8 years since they won a tie)

    Shamrock Rovers though will have a great seeding but won't skip a round any time soon as the round a club enters at is based on national coefficient, not club coefficient. Assuming they stay in the CL for the next few years, then we'd need to get up to 21st for them to get a bye in the CL (based on this year, which is a bit affected by Russian clubs being banned)
    Interesting that rovers are above hajduk and just below Portugal. If they got a Portuguese side and went above they'd be seeded above that portugese team if it hadn't much club coeffs. They would be seeded but in all reality the weaker side. Kind of shows up the seeding too when hajduk are below. If rovers were to meet them you'd fancy hajduk to go through
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    https://timesofmalta.com/articles/vi...l-error.974225

    Bulgarians not making many friends in Europe...

    Making a run for one of the most embrassing years in European Football

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiki Balboa View Post
    https://timesofmalta.com/articles/vi...l-error.974225

    Bulgarians not making many friends in Europe...

    Making a run for one of the most embarrassing years in European Football
    Jeez that's embarrassing alright, you'd have to wonder who is running the club that would allow an appeal on that basis.
    Not a hope of getting the match replayed and only making your club look stupid.
    Could you imagine how many games would need to be replayed if every ref mistake led to a reply...

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    There is such a thing as a technical error (separate from a mistake) but I don't know what exactly counts.

    I think one was given because the ref applied the wrong (old) rule for encroachment into the D at a penalty.

    I don't see how "this guy was offside at tip 5 minutes before he scored" counts though

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