The 12th ...should be a holiday down here?

**Lionel Ritchie** · 12/07/2005, 12:30 PM

What ye reckon? apparently IMPACT or someone similar recently called for july 12th to be made a national holiday in this state.

I'm all for it. Particularly as I look out at the sun beating down and ask what the hell am I doing in here when I could be off getting smashed toasting a 400 year old dutch midget with a bad wig and equally poor horsemanship.

I think it'd be a useful excercise in ...uhm ... bridgebuilding, reconciliation and whatever the fcuk else gets me outta here on a day like today.

**Gareth** · 12/07/2005, 12:42 PM

Hmm interesting, make an national holiday out of a victory by the other side...like celebarting your team losing really?

**pineapple stu** · 12/07/2005, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Gareth

Hmm interesting, make an national holiday out of a victory by the other side...like celebarting your team losing really?

Nail on head. Not a chance. May as well celebrate the Queen's birthday.

Can see where you're coming from, but why not a national holiday for something proper - like Packie Bonner's save in Italia '90?

**wws** · 12/07/2005, 12:44 PM

i think its a great idea - fck the marches and sh;t - but mid july is tailor made for a public holiday!

**Eire06** · 12/07/2005, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Gareth

Hmm interesting, make an national holiday out of a victory by the other side...like celebarting your team losing really?

Exactly.. Why would we I'd welcome any extra bank holidays on any other days but if this was given (which it won't) I would make a point of working on that day!!

Totally stupid idea

**Pat O' Banton** · 12/07/2005, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by Gareth

Hmm interesting, make an national holiday out of a victory by the other side...like celebarting your team losing really?

Otherside? How was James II on our side? William and James didn't particularly care for Ireland (James certainly wouldn't have been here if he thought he could raise a successful army in England) Ireland was useful for troops annd to wage a battle. Neutral territory for a war being fought on a Europe wide stage.

If you lot get a holiday then I want one over here as well afterall it isn't there an equal faclacy that William's victory protected Britain 'civil and religious liberty'

**Macy** · 12/07/2005, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Gareth

like celebarting your team losing really?

Sure we could hold a big rally in the pheonix park and get Joe Duffy to host it...

Like others have said, if we could guarantee a day like today then I wouldn't really have a problem with it, once it was an extra day not instead of another...

**pineapple stu** · 12/07/2005, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by wws

but mid july is tailor made for a public holiday!

Monday fortnight too far away for you?!

**Macy** · 12/07/2005, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Monday fortnight too far away for you?!

Move that back to the end of August - bring the whole island into line with each other.

**Eire06** · 12/07/2005, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Pat O' Banton

Otherside? How was James II on our side? William and James didn't particularly care for Ireland (James certainly wouldn't have been here if he thought he could raise a successful army in England) Ireland was useful for troops annd to wage a battle. Neutral territory for a war being fought on a Europe wide stage.

If you lot get a holiday then I want one over here as well afterall it isn't there an equal faclacy that William's victory protected Britain 'civil and religious liberty'

Are you not Irish Pat?

I thought you were one of us!! oh well I've been corrected

**Schumi** · 12/07/2005, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Monday fortnight too far away for you?!

The weather'll be $hit by then!

**Pat O' Banton** · 12/07/2005, 1:00 PM

Originally Posted by Eire06

Are you not Irish Pat?

I thought you were one of us!! oh well I've been corrected

Hmmm, I thought a wise one would pick up on that, I was refering to Irish people across the water (with there flashy RTE!)

**Eire06** · 12/07/2005, 1:09 PM

Originally Posted by Pat O' Banton

Hmmm, I thought a wise one would pick up on that, I was refering to Irish people across the water (with there flashy RTE!)

naa naa nana naa

And we pay for it ourselves too

**monutdfc** · 12/07/2005, 1:12 PM

Of course, you all know the Battle of the Boyne took place on 1st July. The Orangemen commemorate it on 12 July because at the time they were still working off the Julian clander, refusing to recognise the Gregorian calendar (devised by Pope Gregory) and so were 12 days out of step.

**Lionel Ritchie** · 12/07/2005, 1:17 PM

Originally Posted by Pat O' Banton

Otherside? How was James II on our side? William and James didn't particularly care for Ireland (James certainly wouldn't have been here if he thought he could raise a successful army in England) Ireland was useful for troops annd to wage a battle. Neutral territory for a war being fought on a Europe wide stage.

If you lot get a holiday then I want one over here as well afterall it isn't there an equal faclacy that William's victory protected Britain 'civil and religious liberty'

Well said Pat, the conflict had little if anything to do with Anglo-Irish or Protestant-Catholic issues. It was about Parliamentarianism versus Royalism.

Now -I've seen that overstated to paint William as a democrat -which he certainly was not - but he did see that this turkey of letting lands be ruled theocratically by increasingly inbred idiots wasn't going to fly or at least for not much longer.

He believed executive power should be weilded by himself and others like him ( ruling classes?) collectively and kings should only be there to rubber stamp decicisions made by those competent to take them.

But the Catholic-Protestant thing is one of the biggest and most misleading straw-men raised about this conflict. Amongst the armies William brought here and who fought James at the Boyne were the Dutch Dragoons -a Roman Catholic regiment.

**Dublin12** · 12/07/2005, 1:31 PM

What a crazy idea

,how do you expect people in the Republic to react to a bonfire with a tricolour on top waiting too be torched,surely it would lead to the same thing in the Republic except with the Union Jack,a bit of a backward step.

**Lionel Ritchie** · 12/07/2005, 1:52 PM

how do you expect people in the Republic to react to a bonfire with a tricolour on top waiting too be torched,surely it would lead to the same thing in the Republic except with the Union Jack,a bit of a backward step.

Well first off that happens on the 11th night and they have to watch our flag on top of a bonfire anyway. (I always think it's kind of funny to see these massive tricolours that some chav had to buy make or steal waving stoically atop loyalist areas

) Only difference at the moment is that while the smouldering embers of these environmentally criminal chav-fest bonfires are fading -we down here are getting up for work when it'd be perfectly sensible for us to have a public holiday.

And yeah chavs down here would probably use it as an excuse to burn their rubbish rather than dump it properly (note to chavs: no ...not in a field or a nature reserve -a proper certified dump) and if they want to burn Union Jacks up on top well i'll only be too happy to sell them to them to do so.