QuoteWhat Derek being pawned off ?? He's our top scorer for Christ sake !!
Who else are you talking about ??
We at theLimerick have recieved credible information concerning two of our star players. First of all we have been reliably informed that Derek McCarthy is being pawned off very much against his will and the will of surely every supporter of this club. Secondly another one of our biggest players could be about to walk away from the club because of the ongoing internal problems which are dogging this club all season long. These include the favouritism of management and the interference of the chairman, particularily in regards to team selection.
We are very much on the verge of loosing two of our most dedicated and loyal players within the next week, all to accomadate players whose dedication is very questionable indeed. It is hugely important therefore that we SUPPORT these players and show them that the fans are on THEIR side.
We need to take action.
What Derek being pawned off ?? He's our top scorer for Christ sake !!
Who else are you talking about ??
You're right, he is our top scorer. He's also being played out of position week in week out. Logic left this club months ago.Originally Posted by Pauliwallnuts
We're that bit more sensitive about revealing the name of the other player, because unlike Derek McCarthy management may not directly know of his particular situation yet. If this certain player left however it would be a complete farce.
not surprised,ever since derek injured his back a few years ago noc hasn't done him many favours.think he even sacked him from the butchers shop. the other player must be kelliher or finny????
If this is all true It goes from bad to worse this year. Derek is a loyal servant to the club and does not deserve to be treated this way. Why, he has played out of position all year, to accommodate one of NOC's babys in CP. DeLimerick , You are dead right Logic has left this club. Why would you play our top scorer in midifield and CP upfront ?
The Situation gets worse as I have heard of at least one other case of the Senior Magement in the club having a go at one of our defenders. NOC is doing a very poor job both tactically and has NO Man management skills but interference from above makes things even worse. Also It looks like Darren is signing for UCD, and WE would not even give him a game
The Trouble this year is we are fixated with Money and not Football. If we had concentrated on Football and picking players in their natural positions as we did earlier we would be up with Sligo now and DD would have now worries about the Crowds. All this Bull**it is self inflicted and the club are in danger of ending our season now. After Last night's Dublin City result it looks like a 2 horse race now. Maybe it's not too late to rescue the season but changes need to be made
Lets Sing our hearts out Derek on Friday Night for the duration of whole game , maybe that would get the message accross and all of us give Carthy and the other player involved our support both before and after the game.
All the best IN FOOTBALL (not anything else)
JohnD
Last edited by JohnD; 12/07/2005 at 8:51 AM.
"How Can you lie there and think of England when you don't even know who's in the team"-- B.Bragg
Thnis "mystery player" wouldn't have happend to not turn up for training Sunday morning?
are u a supporter or a szit stirer? everbody can do a better job then noc
Willie -there's obviously some division amongst us Lims on this but I think I can unite us around a single request...
-can you please knock off the 'nokia' speak?
It's distracts from some otherwise valid and salient points that you make.
" I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"
Willie:
I will welcome any new faces and we need them to push on this year. But I fail to see what seling our top Scorer will do for us.
MY Job is to support my team, agreed, but no one will make me be a lemming and not voice my opinion if and when I see where there could be improvements made.
Why was Darren not giving a chance ?
Why is Derek in de middle of the park when he is not a first cousin of a midfielder , but is a fine natural striker?
Why is CP not scoring ?
Why have we lost 3 in 4 ?
These questions are all relevant and need to be addressed.
JohnD
"How Can you lie there and think of England when you don't even know who's in the team"-- B.Bragg
I'd seriously consider deleting or seriously editing this post if I were you. There is a lot of unsubstantiated rumour...in other words... total bullsh1t in it.not surprised,ever since derek injured his back a few years ago noc hasn't done him many favours.think he even sacked him from the butchers shop. the other player must be kelliher or finny????
John, the answers are fairly obvious. 1. NOC doesn't think he is better than BD or JN 2. NOC thinks CP is a better striker than him but he is too good to leave out 3. Bad patch 4. The same team had just won 5 in 6.
I am not being smart, but NOC calls the shots and doesn't really owe the fans explanations. Now, that does that mean fans accept everything. I agree about cheering on Carthy on Friday and 'the other player' (though won't that give his identity away?) to register our opinion. Why not a banner?
This must be put in context. It is difficult to be very critical when we are doing that much better than last season, but we shouldn't wait until the season really comes off the rails before being vocal.
But what has to be kept in mind and this is the nub. The manager makes the calls and hard decisions. Fans don't always agree and use forums like this to register dissent. But fans cannot ever have a say in team selection. That really would bring a crisis. But the other side of that coin is that if the team does not perform the manager carries the can and is sacked. This season is frustrating because of the promise pre-season and the feeling of a chance being wasted. However, if a manager is judged by results - how do we judge NOC? His man management skills may be bad but if I am brutally honest, I couldn't care less if the manager was David Brent if we are challenging.
A lot of this, it seems from a distance, stems from disagreement on the quality of players. Sometimes I think some fans are too clsoe to some players and know too much about what goes on - this happens in every football club up and down the country but we hear about because of the local aspect of the club.
As fans our job is to support and criticise (out of concern). The managers job is to pick the team. The chairmans job is to run the off-field activities. While they are all inter-linked they have to be independent.
"It's impossible to make a man understand something when his livelihood depends on him not understanding" Upton Sinclair
Joe Soap:
So Carthy was not told to Go to Waterford so ? is that Bulls**t Joe ?
Of Course it's all happy in the camp as far as you are concerned. Jesus a year changes a lot ! Stand back Joe and take a balanced view for a change
John
"How Can you lie there and think of England when you don't even know who's in the team"-- B.Bragg
NOC thinks CP is a better striker than him
That just about answers my question
While they are all inter-linked they have to be independent
Agree but dont think it's happening at the club .
JohnD
"How Can you lie there and think of England when you don't even know who's in the team"-- B.Bragg
These matters are all on-field matters, issues that while I appreciate the concerns of supporters as regards their friends or favourite players, they are issues for the management to decide upon.Team selection or transfer activity does not concern anybody but the club management and players and thats that.The manager is paid to do a job as well as he sees fit, and is doing so. Every supporter has the right to be vocal and critical, but no right to demand selection or retention or sale of certain players.
The players too must learn to keep club business private, and not have rumour and personal feelings run wild around Flannerys,Mojos and the Trinity Rooms.No professional club would tolerate such behaviour.
John, you're right. A year is a long time. 12 months ago players couldn't get paid, there was no home ground, no team bus, no excellent training facilities, no organisation, no general manager, no UEFA licence, terrible results, the club being the laughing stock of the country...oh please bring back the good old days!!!Balanced views work both ways John.
As for Danny Drew....how dare he put a couple of hundred grand of his own money into the club. How dare he turn it into a well organised, stable enterprise, how dare he get us a ground to play on, how dare he get us the UEFA licence, pay for UL training, get that team bus.... Yeah Danny, ffs....get the finger out will you!!
When did this happen?How dare he turn it into a well organised, stable enterprise,
Are match nights not well organised?...Are top class facilities not laid on for the squad?...Is the club not now financially stable?
Or are you one of those who could "do a better job"?
I can really see both sides to this (am I the only one?).
The club can't understand the perceived carping of fans - who are never happy. This is true - football fans are never happy (go to any clubs form - Chelsea, Liverpool, Plymouth) and you'll find whinging fans. The club sees progress on the pitch (measured by league position) and off the pitch and hears complaining fans after 3 losses in 4. Meanwhile we are still 4th in the league.
The fans care deeply about this club and want only what is best for it. The last few seasons have been nothing but strife and now, when the big chance comes along, we are starting to lose our way. A highly respected and liked manager is jettisoned for someone who left the club in the lurch previously two weeks before the start of a season. Loyal players - who were there with the fans in the tough times are allowed leave (or seemingly pushed out). Reports of fallings-out (which also happened last time) with the manager emerge as the good run of form is reversed.
A good summary?
There are huge positives in thsi club this season. It is unrecognisable from last year and previous years. God bless Drew and his buddies - they saved my club. That said, everything is not rosy. They will get criticised. They may think it is unfair but that comes with the territory. Football is a game of opinions. We could be in Sligo's position and still there would be criticism of team selection (in fact there is - see http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=26921). The fans have to recognize the positives in teh club and for once we are not moaning about being bottom of the league but instead why we should be higher than 4th. The management have to realise the criticism comes from a good place and does not demean the advances the club has made. Accept the criticism and get on with the job.
"It's impossible to make a man understand something when his livelihood depends on him not understanding" Upton Sinclair
Thanks LFC in Exile a well worded post. The Powers that be in this club must learn to have a thicker skin than they currently seem to have. They are very "Excitable"
We are not doing well at the moment. IMO thats as much because of what is going on off the pitch as is on. Good Team spirit and togetherness is vital. We have not got that at the moment IMO.
We, the supporters (especially all 80 of us from last year) care too much about this club to allow things to slide without commenting.Not only commenting but selling tickets, Buses, Posterring shops, Maintaining Websites.
Agree we are a long way on from last year,( See my previous posts), however we are sliding and in a few weeks the season, which promised so much, could be over. Selling out top Goal scorer is a criminal decision. I reserve the right to comment on these issues. The Style of management is not to my liking, even if we get promoted I dont think it's the right way to deal with people. End of Story.
Joe: Sarcasm does not become you. Where were you all last season when we were bottom of the league? No at matches anyway.
John D (The Excitable one)
"How Can you lie there and think of England when you don't even know who's in the team"-- B.Bragg
Ah John, you're not that excitable now...
I understand fully the concerns of some supporters, and sympathise with them, but(theres always a but) as I said earlier, decisions about on field matters are for the club management only. I don't think you'll find anyone being sold, and you might be pleasantly surprised at the odd new face appearing in blue very soon.These are issues for club management, and no supporter in the world is entitled to a say in how teams should or should not be picked.
Criticise away, just lets be objective and constructive about it. Management in all walks of life have to make decisions that they live or die by, and it would be a huge sign of weakness if a manager succumbed to what others want if he feels his way is better.
4th place at half way was beyond all of our expecttions at the start of the season. Why not celebrate the progress??
Who's this guy?It looks like Darren is signing for UCD, and WE would not even give him a game
We're not arrogant, we're just better.
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